Gauthier debuts at number two spot in Toronto Maple Leafs Top 20

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Slow and steady development remains the course of action for the Toronto Maple Leafs entering the 2013-14 season. With a patient approach to their draft picks over the last few seasons, the club is now in a large transition phase at the AHL level.



The Toronto Marlies have already seen a large contingent of veterans move on to different clubs, while the team is expected to gain approximately 15 players on entry-level deals.

Morgan Rielly remains the star prospect in the Maple Leafs system, while recently drafted Frederik Gauthier debuts in the second spot. Other newcomers to the list include 2013 draftee Carter Verhaeghe, goaltender Garret Sparks, and gritty OHL forwards David Broll and Ryan Rupert.… read more



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67Cup

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Good article. Thanks!

I might have a few quibbles, like perhaps flipping Blacker and Biggs or ratingGranberg a bit higher, but overall, that was a sensible and well argued set of rankings.
 

vwbm

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Hmm

I'm wondering the potential of both Ross & Biggs?


I know much too soon to tell
Just not feeling it hope I'm wrong
 

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I believe our pool is fairly rated compared to every other team that seem to have 10+ players at 7.0+
 

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Very good read ..

Leafs prospect pool strength definitively lies among the quantity of young defenders in the system.

High-end talent among the forwards and goalies is certainly in short supply at present with mainly bottom 6 players.

Unfortunately when the team rankings come out the Leafs system is likely to come in bottom 10 overall.
 

The Magic Man

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I think Granberg is rated a little lower then I would've expected, but otherwise a nice read. Realistic too, which is refreshing.

I'd have Granberg around 7.0B and about 4 or 5 in our ranks. His international play was great, and against great NHL stars.
 

vwbm

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Yes

Mess your sig is bang on gotta wait & see
Attendance at Ricoh
If they struggle


But patience should pay off.
I always figured they had way too many ahl vets with not a chance to advance up to the big club.

Guess they sell seats by winning more ,,
Double edge
 

vwbm

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Agree

Naz your bang on

He may surprise in sept or be the first called up.
 
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The Magic Man

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Mess your sig is bang on gotta wait & see
Attendance at Ricoh
If they struggle


But patience should pay off.
I always figured they had way too many ahl vets with not a chance to advance up to the big club.

Guess they sell seats by winning more ,,
Double edge

Agreed. I've always felt Eakins was coaching for an advancement of his own rather then for the players. He got his wish, good luck with that.

Hopefully Spott puts more emphasis on player development over winning. He said himself that he wants to evolve a more "Randy Carlyle" system so the players are more ready for the Leafs. Good idea, IMO.
 

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I think Blacker is a little too high. Guys like Granberg and Biggs both look like they have higher potential IMO. Blacker, if he even makes the NHL, would probably only be a # 5-7 dman. Biggs is a likely 3rd liner, and I think Granberg will become closer to a #3-5 guy, depending on his transition to NA.

I think Colborne is too high as well. I think he's a better AHL player than a number of our other prospects, but I think he might have a harder time finding a legitimate role on a good NHL team. I dont think the offence is there to be a top 6 guy, and he's not exactly a defensive specialist either. Which IMO means guys like Ashton/D'Amigo, who could become solid two-way 3rd liners, could be more suited to the NHL game.

I'd love go be wrong about Colborne though. On paper, C with skill + size is a big organizational need.
 

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Only have a problem with granberg here.

they think his potential is a 6.5C? Even with all the scout praise and all his junior accomplishments?

He hasnt proven anything in the NHL sure, but surely he's got at least a 7.0 potential, guy seems like he'll be a very steady shutdown d.
 

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Agreed. I've always felt Eakins was coaching for an advancement of his own rather then for the players. He got his wish, good luck with that.

Hopefully Spott puts more emphasis on player development over winning. He said himself that he wants to evolve a more "Randy Carlyle" system so the players are more ready for the Leafs. Good idea, IMO.

Eakins was very much coaching for development it's just sad that so many look at the process as an individual statistic thing.

All the Marlies were being taught how to play winning hockey as a TEAM that's why each and every call up didn't look out of place when they did. That's the one area that youngsters struggle the most to understand, that's the purpose of those AHL guys cause they sit there as an example of the right way to play. It's not about your stats, it's not about your skill level it's about understanding that logo in front of your Jersey has requirements you need to put a head of everything else and commit to it both on ice, off ice and to each other as teammates if your going to find success at the higher level.

Eakins job isn't to improve there individual skills or coach them so they can put up numbers, there down there to LEARN HOW TO BE A PRO AND PLAY WINNING TEAM HOCKEY. That's the development the head coach is responsible for, to teach the guys to play the right way. Those that do will play those that don't sit which is no different than the NHL. Learn how to play the right way and everything else takes care of it's self. Catering to a guy just because he's a 1st round pick doesn't do the player any good nor the organization cause your breeding a culture where hard work doesn't get rewarded. Players must earn there ice time even at the AHL level not given just because your Kadri, Colborne, Gardiner or Rielly

Individual improvement of there skills comes from the player himself doing the extra work to improve. All the coach can do in this regard is tell him where these improvements are needed example, skating, physical strength, face offs etc... and IT'S UP TO THE PLAYER to do the work.
 

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Eakins was very much coaching for development it's just sad that so many look at the process as an individual statistic thing.

All the Marlies were being taught how to play winning hockey as a TEAM that's why each and every call up didn't look out of place when they did. That's the one area that youngsters struggle the most to understand, that's the purpose of those AHL guys cause they sit there as an example of the right way to play. It's not about your stats, it's not about your skill level it's about understanding that logo in front of your Jersey has requirements you need to put a head of everything else and commit to it both on ice, off ice and to each other as teammates if your going to find success at the higher level.

Eakins job isn't to improve there individual skills or coach them so they can put up numbers, there down there to LEARN HOW TO BE A PRO AND PLAY WINNING TEAM HOCKEY. That's the development the head coach is responsible for, to teach the guys to play the right way. Those that do will play those that don't sit which is no different than the NHL. Learn how to play the right way and everything else takes care of it's self. Catering to a guy just because he's a 1st round pick doesn't do the player any good nor the organization cause your breeding a culture where hard work doesn't get rewarded. Players must earn there ice time even at the AHL level not given just because your Kadri, Colborne, Gardiner or Rielly

Individual improvement of there skills comes from the player himself doing the extra work to improve. All the coach can do in this regard is tell him where these improvements are needed example, skating, physical strength, face offs etc... and IT'S UP TO THE PLAYER to do the work.

I don't know if it was Eakins call or not, but he had too many AHL vets playing too many minutes. That's my point. I'm no coaching analyst, and I may be wrong on his developmental plans. But I like what I see for next year. Spott doesn't have a choice but to let the young players play. There won't be too many older players there.

Who knows, it may just be that all our prospects are crap. But I don't want to believe that.
 

vwbm

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But

Wasn't that Wilson
Not giving the younger guys a chance.

Look at Gardiner now he at times was best player on the ice in the playoffs
 

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Wasn't that Wilson
Not giving the younger guys a chance.

Look at Gardiner now he at times was best player on the ice in the playoffs

Wilson played Gardsy a lot. Aside from Kadri a lot of players developed nicely under Wilson. It was team success that was missing
 

zeke

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nice list. especially good job with the individual grades, which I agree with almost 100%....you're much more realistic with your grades than the guys making lists for other teams (especially that habs guy....)...

my only quibbles:

1) The right 5 are in the top-5 IMO, but I'd have Finn ahead of colborne and leivo, and maybe Gauthier. (him and gauthier I have basically tied for 2nd spot, and I wouldn't hesistate to give Finn a 7.5 i.e.good #2/3 dman realistic upside). Finn's 7.0C grade is probably the only one on the list I disagree with strongly. He's got more upside than that.

2) Still think you're rating Blacker too high. I'd give McKegg a top-10 spot ahead of him, and kick him out of the top-10.


I'm also not as big a fan as US-based guys like Camarenesi and Toninato, and probably would have found a spot for a guy like Connor Brown ahead of them in the top-20....but at that level they're so close it doesn't matter much, and I'm biased against the NCAA/USHL guys anyways.
 

zeke

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Eakins was very much coaching for development it's just sad that so many look at the process as an individual statistic thing.

burying the kids with bottom line minutes, or even press box duty, is not "coaching for development", or at least not GOOD coaching for developement.
 

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A lot of those Cs should be a B as IMO most of our prospects are a safe bet to make it. I also agree Gauthier is #2 but I think his ratings a little to high, should be a 7.0B rather than a 7.5C
 

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Not a terrible list, a few gripes, but nothing too big. Believe Biggs and Finn should be ranked higher. Biggs should be a 7.0 and Finn should be a 7.5, but nothing huge.
 

zeke

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John-Eric is one of the best of the HF prospect guys.
 

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