TSN: Garrioch: Boucher going nowhere

[Very Stable Genius]

We've changed tons of players, mostly for the worse I might add. Its an organizational structure issue

 

[philb613]

Boucher has worn himself out with over half the room, if they keep him then I'd suspect a rather large exodus this summer via players asking to be moved.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I know it won't happen, but it should. Anyways we'll see who replaces Boucher next year in November or December.

But that's the thing.

What we are talking about here is Boucher making it to the start of next season.

Next season being the last year of his contract works both ways: it makes it less painful to let him go when he has one season left on his deal.

What I am saying is firing him before October or November of this year doesn't make sense.

He will be on a very short leash next season. As it should be.

So we agree.

 

[GoBlue99]

(Paraphrasing) "I may be completely wrong, I don't know anything, but my feeling is that Guy Boucher isn't going anywhere during the season OR at season's end".

This was on the pre-game show before Sens Leafs Feb 10 on TSN1200.

For someone who is so smart, Boucher is really stubborn. Adjust with the times, stop this trap garbage and play with speed and aggression.

 

[jbeck5]

I have no doubt that 65 will be much closer to his normal self next year (not 12/8 on July 1 confident, but still).

I am worried that we are looking at the new Anderson.

Anderson is gonna be 37 in 2 months. We shouldn't even be thinking of him when it comes to the future goaltending of this team. It's basically about whether he can be good enough to be a backup until his contract ends and he can retire. I guess the other issue is if he's worth it as a backup at 5 million or if he should he bought out.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

But that's the thing.

What we are talking about here is Boucher making it to the start of next season.

Next season being the last year of his contract works both ways: it makes it less painful to let him go when he has one season left on his deal.

What I am saying is firing him before October or November of this year doesn't make sense.

He will be on a very short leash next season. As it should be.

So we agree.

No, we don't. We should be looking at coaches in the summer, not midseason. Wait till midseason and you end up with our farm team coach, Crawford or someone who wasn't good enough to be picked up in the summer.

 

[Karl Prime]

No, we don't. We should be looking at coaches in the summer, not midseason. Wait till midseason and you end up with our farm team coach, Crawford or someone who wasn't good enough to be picked up in the summer.

Not to mention if Guy is fired in December then it means the team got off to a bad start which means making the playoffs even with the new coach (even if it was Scotty Bowman) would seem unlikely.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Maybe they are waiting to see if any other ‘real’ coaches get turfed this summer.

That is no doubt what is happening. For this first time ever, no coaches have been fired this season.

We don’t have money for any of those coaches if other team also offer them jobs.

 

[LudwigVonKarlsson]

I guess this news confirms that we will be a bottom 3 team this year. Bring on the tank!

 

[Xspyrit]

If Boucher can adjust to the "new NHL" then I don't mind this because he is a brilliant hockey mind but the systems he employs seem to wear off on players with time and it might not be efficient for more than a short period of time. Teams adjust and

With the personnel and assets* this team has, they have to be an offensive team, gotta optimize their offensive talent. Bring some players that will help them express offensive talent (White might be the type of guy this team needs, create space and possession). Spend less time defending, reduce goals against. But of course, gotta fix the goaltending.

* Duchene, Stone, Hoffman, Ryan, Brassard, Dzingel, Brown, Batherson, Chlapik, White, Formenton, Gagne, Luchuk, Perron... Karlsson, Chabot, Ceci, Phaneuf, Wolanin, Jaros...

It's Boucher last chance. If he doesn't adjust, he will be out of the NHL and might never get another chance. Note : his systems would have been pretty efficient back in the days with all the grabbing and clutching and without the change of lines usage, etc.

 

[Cloud]

There's nothing sensible about expecting something to change that has been one way for years. There's absolutely no reason to believe Boucher will change anything about how he operates. There's no downside to bringing in New blood.

I know it won't happen, but it should. Anyways we'll see who replaces Boucher next year in November or December.

There's also no reason to believe based on the Sens recent track record that they won't "play for one year then bomb the next" again regardless of which coach the Sens theoretically hire.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

We've changed tons of players, mostly for the worse I might add. Its an organizational structure issue

Well that’s the thing. I mean people over think this. Yes. Our owner is eccentric and an ass. But if we had a smart GM and smart people around him that identified good players and added them identified bad players and subtracted them and drafted well (not saying we don’t draft well) and we were a good team. None of this matters that much. You think anyone gives a shit about the owner being an ass if we’re successful?

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

There's also no reason to believe based on the Sens recent track record that they won't "play for one year then bomb the next" again regardless of which coach the Sens theoretically hire.

Well we better do nothing to remedy the problems with the team. We can take the Boucher approach and just let the opposition come at us relentlessly, on the ice, on the bench and in the GM's office. Maybe we should give Boucher an extension now? Just sit back and accept our fate.

 

[pzeeman]

Well we better do nothing to remedy the problems with the team. We can take the Boucher approach and just let the opposition come at us relentlessly, on the ice, on the bench and in the GM's office. Maybe we should give Boucher an extension now? Just sit back and accept our fate.

Boucher now has a 30-some game audition to show everyone that he can adapt. If he keeps insisting on his tactics and we see no change in execution, then he probably isn’t back in September. If he does show an ability to adapt then it’s a free upgrade.

But to declare in February that Boucher must be dumped for this team to have ongoing success seems to me to be really premature.

 

[Byron Bitz]

Meh ,we have been firing coaches over and over again,maybe its time we change the players??

Many of these players were acquired/kept because they fit Boucher's system.

 

[Cloud]

Well we better do nothing to remedy the problems with the team. We can take the Boucher approach and just let the opposition come at us relentlessly, on the ice, on the bench and in the GM's office. Maybe we should give Boucher an extension now? Just sit back and accept our fate.

How you get any of that based on what I said is quite the leap...a Quantum leap even...oh...never mind.

 

[BloodRedArmy]

If Boucher can adjust to the "new NHL" then I don't mind this because he is a brilliant hockey mind

See this a lot. But where does this come from? I don't see it. I see a guy who seems to quickly alienate players and refuses to budge when things aren't working.

 

[DanyHeatley]

It doesn't make sense to fire the coach after one bad season.

look at maurice from winnipeg he’s still th coach regardless of his losing %

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

See this a lot. But where does this come from? I don't see it. I see a guy who seems to quickly alienate players and refuses to budge when things aren't working.

People see his education and think he's smart. Then they see he's employed by a pro hockey and see he's a hockey guy. You add it all up he's a smart hockey guy on paper just not in practice.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

look at maurice from winnipeg he’s still th coach regardless of his losing %

Look at Winnipeg's roster.

 

[sensfan44]

Until he's fired 11 games into next season ala MacLean

Agreed. He’ll be on a short leash next season.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

If he does stay, which im not particularly stoked about, he's going to have to have a Dwayne Casey like transformation. Accept how the game has changed and play to your strengths, stop trying to force a square peg in a round hole.

 

[HF Reader]

It should depend on the goal of next season. If the goal is to develop youth, etc. then a new coach might be best. If the goal is to grind your way to squeezing into the playoffs and then hoping to play teams weakened due to injuries then Boucher might stay.

 

[Sensung]

Well that’s the thing. I mean people over think this. Yes. Our owner is eccentric and an ass. But if we had a smart GM and smart people around him that identified good players and added them identified bad players and subtracted them and drafted well (not saying we don’t draft well) and we were a good team. None of this matters that much. You think anyone gives a **** about the owner being an ass if we’re successful?

Yes, the players obviously do as reflected by Turris and his wife speaking out when he left the organization.

They may be operating on a false belief that our idiot owner is interfering in hockey matters, but the fact that they broke protocol and spoke out indicates the concern in the dressing room with this owner being an ass.

 

[toxic poster]

people saying it's not fair to fire boucher after one bad season. it's not like there's precedent from his last two head coaching positions of having a team over achieve then fall of a cliff the next season. we should totally keep boucher around I'm sure he will figure it out! seems like a smart, level headed and flexible guy! I would love to have him as our head coach with all of our young players next season!