GDT: Game 55: Avs vs Jets | 8 PM MT | February 6, 2016 | There's a Hockey Game Tonight

[cgf]

"They didn't lose us the game" is the problem. They can't be those type of players, and sadly they are. 8.5 mil between the 2. Can't pay those guys to play fluff minutes and hope they don't cost you.

It's a shame, Tangs was really good last season, but he fell off a cliff.

Iggy was a mistake signing from the start. Too slow to play, and isn't physical. Roy wanted a physical forward.

Who cares about their salaries. What matters is what they are. And what they are bottom of the roster guys who need to just not lose us games...at least until we have proper depth and our third line is home to guys like Comeau and Compher/Bleackley/Beaudin. With "the best 4th line in the NHL" actually playing 4th line minutes. It would be great if we could dump them, but that can't happen until the summer.

 

[DUHockey]

Seems to be the story of Roy's tenure. I haven't chosen which side of the fence I'm on regarding Roy as the coach of this team, but I'm a results oriented guy, and when I don't see improvement in the possession imbalance over significant time, I really start to question who should in the end be held accountable for it.

A system that allows 38 to 44 shots on any given night and generates 20 to 24 shots is a problem and that is the coaches call. As well as giving Mitchell that much ice.
2 Shots
1 Hit
1 Block
2 Giveaways
And a bad 44% on draws in 19:09 OF ICE TIME.

That's poor coaching.

I do think this team needs a significant trade to rattle everyone. But regardless, unless Sakic makes the move that needs desperately to be made in changing coaches it won't matter.

Look at the Corsi from last night and see who is dead last.


Player Position TOI CF CA CF% CF% Rel FF FA FF% FF% Rel SF SA SF% SF% Rel GF GA GF% GF% Rel Off. Zone Start %
Mikhail Grigorenko C 17:39 26 16 61.90 24.13 21 14 60.00 23.93 16 12 57.14 17.14 2 2 50.00 50.00 57.89
Nathan MacKinnon C 18:56 28 19 59.57 21.93 23 17 57.50 21.79 18 15 54.55 14.55 2 2 50.00 50.00 60.00
Chris Wagner R 6:04 7 4 63.64 19.83 3 2 60.00 16.04 2 2 50.00 3.62 0 0 0.00 -33.33 75.00
Chris Bigras D 17:08 20 16 55.56 13.89 14 12 53.85 12.42 12 9 57.14 14.84 1 0 100.00 80.00 70.00
Jarome Iginla R 18:45 21 18 53.85 11.91 13 11 54.17 12.50 12 9 57.14 14.84 1 0 100.00 80.00 57.14
Matt Duchene C 20:29 24 24 50.00 7.14 18 21 46.15 2.29 12 17 41.38 -8.62 1 2 33.33 0.00 63.16
Carl Soderberg C 15:48 20 21 48.78 4.82 16 14 53.33 12.42 15 9 62.50 23.72 1 2 33.33 0.00 43.75
Andrew Bodnarchuk D 13:34 13 14 48.15 3.39 7 11 38.89 -7.26 7 7 50.00 4.24 1 0 100.00 80.00 57.14
Tyson Barrie D 18:27 16 20 44.44 -1.39 13 19 40.63 -6.25 10 14 41.67 -7.31 0 1 0.00 -40.00 50.00
Cody McLeod L 12:18 10 14 41.67 -4.63 8 10 44.44 -0.43 6 5 54.55 9.38 0 0 0.00 -33.33 33.33
Erik Johnson D 23:19 23 32 41.82 -6.23 16 20 44.44 -0.56 12 17 41.38 -8.62 0 3 0.00 -66.67 41.67
Alex Tanguay L 14:56 11 17 39.29 -7.83 5 12 29.41 -18.69 4 10 28.57 -22.28 0 1 0.00 -40.00 54.55
Nick Holden D 18:49 14 22 38.89 -9.03 11 19 36.67 -11.82 6 12 33.33 -17.58 0 1 0.00 -40.00 52.94
Francois Beauchemin D 26:21 27 39 40.91 -9.09 20 25 44.44 -0.65 16 19 45.71 -1.65 1 3 25.00 -25.00 42.86
Gabriel Landeskog L 15:25 13 21 38.24 -9.72 10 13 43.48 -1.73 9 8 52.94 8.30 0 0 0.00 -33.33 43.75
Blake Comeau L 15:08 12 21 36.36 -12.12 8 15 34.78 -13.16 7 10 41.18 -7.04 0 2 0.00 -50.00 40.00
Andreas Martinsen L 7:27 5 10 33.33 -13.68 3 7 30.00 -16.51 2 4 33.33 -14.43 0 0 0.00 -33.33 33.33
John Mitchell C 19:09 12 28 30.00 -22.17 8 19 29.63 -21.10 6 12 33.33 -17.58 0 0

Courtesy of Natural Stat Trick

http://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20152016&game=20785

 

[RockLobster]

I don't seem to recall you being here a lot when he DID change the system, to a 1-3-1, and it contributed to their better (though still not to up to their potential) play through December and January. Of course, looking through your post history, you do a lot of railing against him as a coach anyway...so I guess I'm not surprised.

He's tried every conceivable manner to get this team going with the players up here. And before it's brought up to "recall Rantanen and Zadorov!", the reason why Rantanen and Zadorov are in the AHL is to develop. Could they play up here? Sure, but it seems too many around here are all-to-willing to sacrifice the long-term plan for a short-term gain.

 

[AslanRH]

I don't seem to recall you being here a lot when he DID change the system, to a 1-3-1, and it contributed to their better (though still not to up to their potential) play through December and January.

Are you talking to me? because DU joined in December '15.

 

[RockLobster]

Are you talking to me? because DU joined in December '15.

No, I'm talking to him. And I see that he joined in Dec 2015, but my point still stands.

 

[DUHockey]

Changing to a 1-3-1 is not a change to an aggressive style. It's still sitting back and waiting for the play to come to you. The D zone coverage is completely passive.

By the way I agree with you, stick to the long term plan but you're 3/4's of the way through the season. Letting some of the Rampage come up for some games will not ruin the progress they're making.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Anyone have a gif of Roy losing it?

 

[Cousin Eddie]

"They didn't lose us the game" is the problem. They can't be those type of players, and sadly they are. 8.5 mil between the 2. Can't pay those guys to play fluff minutes and hope they don't cost you.

It's a shame, Tangs was really good last season, but he fell off a cliff.

Iggy was a mistake signing from the start. Too slow to play, and isn't physical. Roy wanted a physical forward.

You can't blamed those two guys for being given contracts like that. It's not like they decided they were going to start sucking now. They're age has caught up with them and that's the risk associated with signing or trading for players who are aging.

 

[dahrougem2]

Changing to a 1-3-1 is not a change to an aggressive style. It's still sitting back and waiting for the play to come to you. The D zone coverage is completely passive.

By the way I agree with you, stick to the long term plan but you're 3/4's of the way through the season. Letting some of the Rampage come up for some games will not ruin the progress they're making.

This team doesn't have the horses to play an aggressive style. Not yet, anyways.

Roy changing to a 1-3-1 was very successful for this team. Not sure why you're ragging on Roy for the system in place right now. If you want to rag on him for personnel decisions with regard to ice-time, fine, I'd actually agree with you. But I'm not going to harp on the system Roy has right now. Not when I know it isn't his preferred system and he's simply trying to get by with what he's got to work with until he has all his necessary pieces on the roster.

 

[Freudian]

Anyone have a gif of Roy losing it?

 

[AnimalMother73]

I don't mind sticking to the plan and developing players but they better not make it worse by trading assets for a quick fix at the TDL...would be the height of mgmt ineptitude.

 

[chet1926]

I got to disagree with the people *****ing about Duchene and MacKinnon's scoring. The fact is the league has changed siginificantly and scoring is just not as high as it was even 5 years ago. There are very few players in the league operating a point per game pace.

Both MacKinnon and Duchene are in the top 25 scorers in the league what else do you want? I mean if they could ever find a 3rd player for that line then I fully expect that, they could be as high as top 15. The fact is for most games this season they have been saddled with dead weight as a 3rd player so they are basically going 2 on 3 every time they step on the ice.

People seem to forget MacKinnon is a 20 year old sitting top 25 in scoring in the league, there isn't a younger player in front of him. MacKinnon is still trying to figure out the league and how to be consistent. At the beginning of the year his speed was catching team a little off guard. Now the defenses are sitting back against him so that it can't become a factor. He has got to figure out how to deal with this.

 

[ASmileyFace]

Oh my god. Well that's the passionate Roy that seemed to be missing this season.

I missed last night's game. Sounds like a poor effort most of the night. Such a shame. We could have used those 2 points.

 

[The Shermanator]

Why did Roy yell Vacuum at the ref?

 

[CobraAcesS]

Oh my god. Well that's the passionate Roy that seemed to be missing this season.

I missed last night's game. Sounds like a poor effort most of the night. Such a shame. We could have used those 2 points.

Yeah... Gregs face in that is funny, Mitchell's face shows about the same reaction you'd expect from his on ice play lately. "Yeah, I've seen that before. Where is my water?"

Landeskog looks like "Yeah! FU" lol

 

[Flanagan]

I didn't watch the game last night. What happened to cause Roy to freak out?

 

[CobraAcesS]

I didn't watch the game last night. What happened to cause Roy to freak out?

Ref's decision not to call back a goal Roy challenged for Goaltender interference.

 

[Foppa2118]

Have to keep bringing this back to Roy and his defensive style and system he has for this team. They give up typically 35-45 shots a night. They take 20-25 shots on average.

The system allows the other team to hold on to the puck on the perimeter in the D end and requires the forwards to back out of the O end when ever the puck is lost. If he would let them attack in both ends of the ice there would be a dramatic shift in zone times. An attacking D style would not have allowed the goal that Stafford scored while standing in the soft spot in front of Duchene and behind the D. He even had time to take a few steps back. If Duchene had been allowed to sag down and leave his post that goal never happens. But as it was, all 5 guys had their feet firmly planted on the ice in the D end.

Only solution is a coaching change IMO.

Of course you do. Doesn't matter that he completely changed "the system" months ago. Where was this post in the midst of their 19-7-2 run in December and January? One of the best in the entire league with "the system."

 

[CoachBadkitten]

my god Grigorenko and Mitchell look frightened

 

[cgf]

Yeah... Gregs face in that is funny, Mitchell's face shows about the same reaction you'd expect from his on ice play lately. "Yeah, I've seen that before. Where is my water?"

Landeskog looks like "Yeah! FU" lol

Greg's looks like a little kid who's a equal parts uncomfortable & scared, as he watches his dad explode on someone in public.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Of course you do. Doesn't matter that he completely changed "the system" months ago. Where was this post in the midst of their 19-7-2 run in December and January? One of the best in the entire league with "the system."

Yeah this season has been a 'tail of two identities' throughout different parts of the season. You get that from teams with a core as young as ours.

Makes you want to throw **** at the TV, but you can't ignore one or the other. They've played like dog **** with the same system that they won with against the same group of top teams.

 

[bohlmeister]

You can't blamed those two guys for being given contracts like that. It's not like they decided they were going to start sucking now. They're age has caught up with them and that's the risk associated with signing or trading for players who are aging.

I'm not blaming the 2 guys. It is the front office making poor decisions. Iggy just isn't the fit that we needed. And I don't even blame them for Tangs, as I said, he was great last year. Maybe our most consistent player.

It is just a ****** situation all around.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I'm not blaming the 2 guys. It is the front office making poor decisions. Iggy just isn't the fit that we needed. And I don't even blame them for Tangs, as I said, he was great last year. Maybe our most consistent player.

It is just a ****** situation all around.

They did try to get Neal before getting Iginla in free-agency. How ****ing different would we look if they'd have pulled that off? (We probably wouldn't have Rantanen IMO, although maybe still because Iggy and Tangs were still top scorers on the team last season.)

 

[Foppa2118]

Yeah this season has been a 'tail of two identities' throughout different parts of the season. You get that from teams with a core as young as ours.

Makes you want to throw **** at the TV, but you can't ignore one or the other. They've played like dog **** with the same system that they won with against the same group of top teams.

True, but just like the beginning of the season with the more aggressive system, the reason they're losing lately is the same and pretty clear IMO. They're making mistakes with the puck, and losing their battles by not matching the urgency and focus of the other team. It's overwhelming them and causing them to be passive in their own end, and then they get worn out by skating in circles all night.

Doesn't matter what system you use, you can't approach games like that. Teams are too good and you're gonna lose almost every time.

The players still have some bad habits they got to work out of their (own) system. They got to do it quickly if they want to make the playoffs.

 

[tigervixxxen]

I would think out of everyone Greg would be used to it.

I didn't watch the game last night. What happened to cause Roy to freak out?

More to fire up the team than anything. Duchene scored not long after that.