GDT: Game 46: YOUR Minnesota Wild @ Detroit Red Wings 6:30 PM CST

[Wild11MN]

Yeah.. Koivu scores on that move all the time. That was a dumb statement.

Anyway, Parise on pace for 40 goals over a whole season..

 

[gphr513]

"Extremely".

If it was extremely effective he would've scored on an AHL goalie in Mrazek. Tell me, when was the last time Koivu scored on that move. Then tell me the last time he scored before that.

Extremely effective my ass.

Well, he's got 2 SO goals this year (I believe that miss makes him 2/4 on the season), so whenever our last shootout was, I suppose.

And nobody in the history of the NHL has scored more shootouts than Koivu, so I would say he's pretty effective only using that move.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

Out of all active skaters, Parise and Koivu are #1 in all the league for most goals in the shootout. But Koivu sucks man

 

[Shimoe]

I just stopped dancing over Praise's tying goal. Did we win?

 

[57special]

Would you rather have zero points?

two, or none. Treading water gets us nowhere just as much as zero, but with a less talented draft pick.

 

[AKL]

Welp, if we want to pick 13th we're doing great.

 

[iLLogik87]

We are only 7 pts out now! Silver lining.

 

[123TripleDoge]

anyone got a gif of the vanek goal?

 

[Billy Mays Here*]

Welp, if we want to pick 13th we're doing great.

It's inevitable at this point. Team will come together and get some wins, but it's not going to be enough to make the playoffs. Better make some serious moves in the off-season or it's going to be a nonstop repeat of this team either barely missing the playoffs and drafting players that never develop into anything or barely making the playoffs and getting booted early.

 

[Wild11MN]

Eh.. I don't see us getting worse than the 11th pick at this point.

 

[Wild48]

Really frustrated Prosser was dressed today. He can do nothing better than Dumba... yet he played.

Not a huge fan of ripping Yeo, but his handling of that bottom pairing has been garbage. Yeah Fletch hasn't given him a lot to work with... but come on.

 

[gphr513]

Welp, if we want to pick 13th we're doing great.

It's inevitable at this point. Team will come together and get some wins, but it's not going to be enough to make the playoffs. Better make some serious moves in the off-season or it's going to be a nonstop repeat of this team either barely missing the playoffs and drafting players that never develop into anything or barely making the playoffs and getting booted early.

Yeah, I get what you guys want, and it's obviously enticing, but I think hoping for a top 3-5 pick is just a pipe.

The team's just not that bad.

 

[Billy Mays Here*]

Yeah, I get what you guys want, and it's obviously enticing, but I think hoping for a top 3-5 pick is just a pipe.

The team's just not that bad.

Oh there's no point in hoping for a 3-5 pick anymore. It's not gonna happen, but I'd rather see the team at least get maybe a 6-7 pick that they can do something with rather than a 10-13 pick that likely won't become much of anything. The amount of wins we'd have to put together, combined with all the other West teams starting to lose to make the playoffs won't happen either, so here we are stuck in mediocrity all over again.

 

[DANOZ28]

wow, i turn it off and fill up and we make a huge comeback. we're not that bad & we're not that good. YIKES! how long should we tolerate mild hockey? does an 11th thru 14th pick really fix / solve any of our problems? hmmm go wild.

 

[Nharris31]

I would rather watch the team win. Cheering for losses is just dumb.

 

[gphr513]

Oh there's no point in hoping for a 3-5 pick anymore. It's not gonna happen, but I'd rather see the team at least get maybe a 6-7 pick that they can do something with rather than a 10-13 pick that likely won't become much of anything. The amount of wins we'd have to put together, combined with all the other West teams starting to lose to make the playoffs won't happen either, so here we are stuck in mediocrity all over again.

I might go through tomorrow if I'm bored at work and look past drafts to compare picks 6-10 to picks 11-15. Does it really make that much of a difference?

 

[BurnsyMN]

I might go through tomorrow if I'm bored at work and look past drafts to compare picks 6-10 to picks 11-15. Does it really make that much of a difference?

Probably not a ton. You'll most likely see guys who go to the NHL quicker the higher they were taken. Plenty of really good players taken later in the 1st round. The problem is the Wild always swing and miss there.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

If we do land between 10-14 (or should I say, When) we could trade up to 7ish if needed I bet

 

[AKL]

Did a quick Excel spreadsheet of picks 6-9 and 11-14 from 2000-2008. Included games played in the NHL, points scored in the NHL.

At a glance, some highlights:

5 goalies picked in these ranges in those 8 years (3 in 6-9, 2 in 11-14), and none of them did well. Didn't include goalie GP in this either.

6-9 GP: 13,820
11-14 GP: 12,846

6-9 points: 6817
11-14 points: 6115

6-9 ppg: .493
11-14 ppg: .476

So the guys at 6-9 have 1,000 more GP with one less position counted (3 goalies vs. 2 goalies), which isn't really all that significant. Especially looking at PPG numbers, very minimal difference in success. Quite a few good players were drafted 11-14 in these years.

The 6-9 range produced 9 all-stars
The 11-14 range produced 8 all-stars
Again, not much of a difference.

I found the biggest difference came in the number of busts, which for the sake of this I classified as guys who have played less than 100 games.
The 6-9 range produced 6
The 11-14 range produced 10

If someone wants to go back and do the 90s, be my guest, that's too much work for me.

Basically the gist is you're more likely to get a successful player in the 6-9 range, although on average they all score roughly the same.

The other thing you realize if you look at drafts from 2009-2012, the 6-9 range are more likely to hit the NHL and contribute sooner than 11-14.

Although like BurnsyMN said, the problem is the Wild swing and miss on most of their picks, but that's why it's more important that we draft higher, giving us a higher chance at a successful player, who can make an impact sooner.

 

[Billy Mays Here*]

Draft Picks Spreadsheet

Nicely done. Thanks for the work and info.

 

[Nharris31]

Did a quick Excel spreadsheet of picks 6-9 and 11-14 from 2000-2008. Included games played in the NHL, points scored in the NHL.

At a glance, some highlights:

5 goalies picked in these ranges in those 8 years (3 in 6-9, 2 in 11-14), and none of them did well. Didn't include goalie GP in this either.

6-9 GP: 13,820
11-14 GP: 12,846

6-9 points: 6817
11-14 points: 6115

6-9 ppg: .493
11-14 ppg: .476

So the guys at 6-9 have 1,000 more GP with one less position counted (3 goalies vs. 2 goalies), which isn't really all that significant. Especially looking at PPG numbers, very minimal difference in success. Quite a few good players were drafted 11-14 in these years.

The 6-9 range produced 9 all-stars
The 11-14 range produced 8 all-stars
Again, not much of a difference.

I found the biggest difference came in the number of busts, which for the sake of this I classified as guys who have played less than 100 games.
The 6-9 range produced 6
The 11-14 range produced 10

If someone wants to go back and do the 90s, be my guest, that's too much work for me.

Basically the gist is you're more likely to get a successful player in the 6-9 range, although on average they all score roughly the same.

The other thing you realize if you look at drafts from 2009-2012, the 6-9 range are more likely to hit the NHL and contribute sooner than 11-14.

Although like BurnsyMN said, the problem is the Wild swing and miss on most of their picks, but that's why it's more important that we draft higher, giving us a higher chance at a successful player, who can make an impact sooner.

They don't keep them in the ahl long enough.

 

[AKL]

Also, since I skipped the 10th spot, I'll do that separately.

GP: 2,101
Points: 729
PPG: .347
Busts: 4
All-Stars: 0 (No, not even 2003, when everyone was an all-star)

Apparently the 10th spot is NOT a good place to be. Brodin and Nichushkin are going to be competing for best skater drafted at 10 since Bobby Holik in 1989.

 

[AKL]

I might go through tomorrow if I'm bored at work and look past drafts to compare picks 6-10 to picks 11-15. Does it really make that much of a difference?

I did a quick analysis, but if you feel you want to be more thorough or that I left out key information, please go through and re-do it.

 

[gphr513]

Cool, looks like some good info. Thanks, AKL!

 

[thestonedkoala]

They don't keep them in the ahl long enough.

They really don't; as well, after picking Dumba and seeing how far back his development is, I think the Wild need a safer but more dynamic prospect that is almost NHL ready. Like Strome, Eichel, or McDavid.