- Oct 26, 2006
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9-27-5
Imagine being a coach and still keeping your job with that record. #JustCoyotesThings
Anybody still think that with just 3 regulation wins in the first 40 games that the coach and GM really shouldn't be sacked?
I'm beginning to think that Chayka decided to go back to year one and tank given that the roster is so very young. He just didn't have the decency to tell the serious fans of the team that this was his plan.Depends. Perhaps GMJC told ownership that he needs X number of years to put a playoff team on the ice (considering the budget he can't go out and build a team through free agency), and it's gonna be painful watching the process.
We could be the Astros of Hockey. Houston had fewer than 60 wins for three straight years before their strategy began to pay off.
I'm just saying that we don't know the expectations in the owners suite.
Depends. Perhaps GMJC told ownership that he needs X number of years to put a playoff team on the ice (considering the budget he can't go out and build a team through free agency), and it's gonna be painful watching the process.
We could be the Astros of Hockey. Houston had fewer than 60 wins for three straight years before their strategy began to pay off.
I'm just saying that we don't know the expectations in the owners suite.
In 41 games, not 40. We are on pace for 46 points versus last years team was on pace for 64 points but turned it on to finish with 70 points I wonder if we even make it to 46 points? We could have 35% less points then last years team. This is with the addition of Stepan/Tjam. I know Stepan hasn't been great but he is better then what we had last year. We are on pace to finish 50+ points behind Las Vegas, think about that for a minuteAnybody still think that with just 3 regulation wins in the first 40 games that the coach and GM really shouldn't be sacked?
Why? Tocchet's system is 18o degrees from Tippetts's. DT was 13-22-6 at this point last season. Tocchet is 9-27-5. Big whoop. Coaching change isn't going to help us. A trade isn't going to help us. We fired our GM season before last. Our coaching staff was fired this summer. We dumped our entire veteran leadership group, too. It's hopeless. We tried the big UFA signing in gooigoski and he's been a flop. We swung for the fences with big trades for Stepan and Hjalmarsson and it's had no impact.A coaching change seems like the right thing right about now.
Trading for Stepan and Hjalmarsson doesn't jive with that plan.
Still have to meet cap minimum. Also, vets are needed on ice to develop the youth, and Stepan is under contract for 3 more seasons.
A GM trying to win the Cup on a budget needs a multi-year plan to assemble a team through both the draft and acquisitions.
In 41 games, not 40. We are on pace for 46 points versus last years team was on pace for 64 points but turned it on to finish with 70 points I wonder if we even make it to 46 points? We could have 35% less points then last years team. This is with the addition of Stepan/Tjam. I know Stepan hasn't been great but he is better then what we had last year. We are on pace to finish 50+ points behind Las Vegas, think about that for a minute
Barroway/Chayka laid their own trap. Who's decision was it to unload Verby/Smith/Doan and why is Tip out? The entire leadership group is out. A coach that did more with less is out, replaced by a coach that does less with more. I think Chayka's job is safe since he is the best GM in the NHL according to Barroway. Toccs job is safe for now since Barroway can't afford more coaches to get paid while they get a sun tan. Basically, nothing is going to change.
Still have to meet cap minimum. Also, vets are needed on ice to develop the youth, and Stepan is under contract for 3 more seasons.
A GM trying to win the Cup on a budget needs a multi-year plan to assemble a team through both the draft and acquisitions.
Ducks broadcast team praised many of the Coyotes young players but noted the lack of veteran leadership to mentor the kids.
Yeah. But you don't trade the 7th overall when your rebuild is already flimsy as it is unless you're trying to pull out of the basement. It didn't work. They're as low as ever, without any trade ammo to pull out of it.
They are stuck in complete futility right now. The early losing streak just shattered them mentally, to go along with what seems like a lot of poisonous players to begin with.
I do not care anymore and I personally hope the franchise moves on to greener pastures. This sub floor embarassment nonsense is not the way to grow hockey in AZ. They can do a much better job in Houston, Seattle, or QC. Even Vegas is better than this team and they started with basically nothing.
This team has no:
1. Money to get better
2. Appeal to UFAs to get better
3. Young players to get better. More young players is only going to make things worse at this point.
4. No arena plans
5. No abundance of prospects or picks to trade
6. Exactly one valuable roster piece to trade (OEL)
Every day they wallow in this **** losing atmosphere it corrupts them just a little bit more.
Why? Tocchet's system is 18o degrees from Tippetts's. DT was 13-22-6 at this point last season. Tocchet is 9-27-5. Big whoop. Coaching change isn't going to help us. A trade isn't going to help us. We fired our GM season before last. Our coaching staff was fired this summer. We dumped our entire veteran leadership group, too. It's hopeless. We tried the big UFA signing in gooigoski and he's been a flop. We swung for the fences with big trades for Stepan and Hjalmarsson and it's had no impact.
Win the lottery. That's the only thing we haven't tried. Maybe that will work. Apart from that, just pick it up and move to another market. Forget it.
That's just rt being rt, no different than when I wear my Vegas Golden Knights sweater to the hockey games. We're both protesting ineptitude.They had a plan, and it was working. AB screwed that up.
I don't think you ever cared about the Coyotes, and to wish your team moves just proves that. You and a handful of other posters wanted change and were thrilled at what happened in the off season, now you are the first ones complaining and your answer is wishing they move. Having said that, I agree with your post, except the last line. In case you had not noticed, only ONE team is better than Vegas at the moment. Let that sink in for a moment. I don't think anyone would have predicted that.
That's just rt being rt, no different than when I wear my Vegas Golden Knights sweater to the hockey games. We're both protesting ineptitude.
We fired our GM and coach, and purged the team of its veteran leadership, but we failed to supply the team new veteran leadership or a balanced roster. We failed to supply the team with a coach who can get the best out of his players.
...They are stuck in complete futility right now...
...This sub floor embarassment nonsense is not the way to grow hockey in AZ...
...Every day they wallow in this **** losing atmosphere it corrupts them just a little bit more...
The more I think about it, the more I blame AB for this whole mess. He should have brought in a experienced hockey man to help Chayka. AB wanted to show the world he is "the boss", and the only thing he showed the world is what a complete a-- he was. The foundation was there to keep this rebuild on track, now who knows what can be saved and what moves they are going to make. What has happened is the worst case scenario for this franchise. I have the same feeling now that I had when TGO was here. The organization is walking around lost and they don't know how to fix it. This mess has trickled down from ownership all the way down to on ice performance.
Why? Tocchet's system is 18o degrees from Tippetts's. DT was 13-22-6 at this point last season. Tocchet is 9-27-5. Big whoop. Coaching change isn't going to help us. A trade isn't going to help us. We fired our GM season before last. Our coaching staff was fired this summer. We dumped our entire veteran leadership group, too. It's hopeless. We tried the big UFA signing in gooigoski and he's been a flop. We swung for the fences with big trades for Stepan and Hjalmarsson and it's had no impact.
Win the lottery. That's the only thing we haven't tried. Maybe that will work. Apart from that, just pick it up and move to another market. Forget it.
The more I think about it, the more I blame AB for this whole mess. He should have brought in a experienced hockey man to help Chayka. AB wanted to show the world he is "the boss", and the only thing he showed the world is what a complete a-- he was. The foundation was there to keep this rebuild on track, now who knows what can be saved and what moves they are going to make. What has happened is the worst case scenario for this franchise. I have the same feeling now that I had when TGO was here. The organization is walking around lost and they don't know how to fix it. This mess has trickled down from ownership all the way down to on ice performance.
New coach, new system and we're still the same 2 goal max team. We went from 2 goals and lots of try to 2 goals and now we cry.