GDT: GAME #4: DEVILS @ LEAFS | WED 11-OCT @ 7:30 PM ACC | SPORTSNET

[Keato]

Once again I'm gonna have to miss the game, but we're 3-0 so far, so perhaps the hockey gods don't want me to watch the games.

C'est la vie, Go Leafs!

 

[Alerion]

And clearly Mike Babcock thinks that Leivo does not make the team better. We know Babcock's background and qualifications. What are the backgrounds and qualifications of those who think he is wrong?

You're saying that if Babcock played Nylander in goal, we could not question him because he's more qualified than us. Think about that for a second, your argument is just an appeal to authority.

 

[Suntouchable13]

And clearly Mike Babcock thinks that Leivo does not make the team better. We know Babcock's background and qualifications. What are the backgrounds and qualifications of those who think he is wrong?

Then there is no point in discussion then. I don't think there is anything wrong with disagreeing with him. It's just voicing an opinion and isn't it the point of this forum? I don't have to have same qualifications as him to disagree with him.

 

[Warden of the North]

Because there's always room for improvement? To maintain value of an asset? So that if there is an injury in the top 9, he's not potentially coming in cold? It makes no sense to bury him in the pressbox after a strong pre-season, especially against speedy teams where Martin is only playing 5 mins.

Literally every team has fringe NHLers. Leivo's value isnt very high

While I agree to the extent that I don't think it's a huge issue, being good is not a reason to not get better.

Obviously Babcock doesnt think he makes us better.

I get that people want him to replace Martin, but its not going to happen. Martin brings a totally different element then Leivo, and nothing Leivo can do will supplant Martin.

 

[TML Dynasty]

And clearly Mike Babcock thinks that Leivo does not make the team better. We know Babcock's background and qualifications. What are the backgrounds and qualifications of those who think he is wrong?

Wow you're intense. Im a huge believer in Babs but to think he's infallible and we cannot even discus options if they go against his actions seems a little much. Hard to know if Leivo would work until he's tried out for a period of time. Also his tryouts so far have looks really really good.

 

[Gallagbi]

And clearly Mike Babcock thinks that Leivo does not make the team better. We know Babcock's background and qualifications. What are the backgrounds and qualifications of those who think he is wrong?

I'm just a guy who thinks Babcock has been wrong before and may be wrong again in the future. Call me crazy.

 

[Alerion]

Literally every team has fringe NHLers. Leivo's value isnt very high



Obviously Babcock doesnt think he makes us better.

I get that people want him to replace Martin, but its not going to happen. Martin brings a totally different element then Leivo, and nothing Leivo can do will supplant Martin.

Did all these fringe NHLers have 10 points in 13 games last season? Shouldn't our organization strive to maximize the value of its players on the market?

 

[MapleLeafs9]

Carrick isn't back tonight?

Also, anyone wanna place bets on how long before Hischier scores his 1st nhl goal tonight?

 

[MJ65]

Carrick isn't back tonight?

Also, anyone wanna place bets on how long before Hischier scores his 1st nhl goal tonight?

I hope not - at least not tonight

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Can we just trade Leivo already, so this forum stops thinking he can fill Martin's role, JVR's role, (Insert name here) role?

**Spoiler alert** The guy is a depth guy. I like him plenty, but he's not taken anyone's job since being here. It says a lot.

 

[AppsSyl]

I think Freddy is going to be top notch tonight. He had a good game against the Jets (especially given all their PP's), but hasn't had a game yet where he is just unbeatable. Hopefully we see it tonight, and a solid game from our D.

Also, Matthews and Marner are due for big nights on the scoresheet. I think Matthews gets more than one and Marner gets a few points.

 

[Budsfan]

 

[DarkKnight]

I bet there are 20 odd teams that could use this "fringe" player. Don't let our plethora of offensive players fool you, Leivo is a FIRM top 9 on many teams in this league.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

I bet there are 20 odd teams that could use this "fringe" player. Don't let our plethora of offence fool you, Leivo is a FIRM top 9 on many teams in this league.

As a fan of his, I hope he gets the opportunity.

 

[Pyrophorus]

You're saying that if Babcock played Nylander in goal, we could not question him because he's more qualified than us. Think about that for a second, your argument is just an appeal to authority.

Its funny. There is a Swedish goaltender named William Nylander.
He's not very good.

 

[Leafs27]

Kadri's assist on Brown's goal: "And the rest ... is history"? Kind of an odd thing to say.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Games against the Devs are always difficult. Its always kind of a chess match.
DO NOT look ahead to the Habs.

 

[egd27]

Can we just trade Leivo already, so this forum stops thinking he can fill Martin's role, JVR's role, (Insert name here) role?

**Spoiler alert** The guy is a depth guy. I like him plenty, but he's not taken anyone's job since being here. It says a lot.

Thank you.

 

[iceblue]

Once again I'm gonna have to miss the game, but we're 3-0 so far, so perhaps the hockey gods don't want me to watch the games.

C'est la vie, Go Leafs!

Yeah I have missed the first 3 games- I gave up my center ice (bad timing). Anyway maybe I just need to either miss all the games or sign up again as I feel like I am missing an epic season.

 

[Warden of the North]

Did all these fringe NHLers have 10 points in 13 games last season? Shouldn't our organization strive to maximize the value of its players on the market?

Lower tier scoring wingers are not that valuable. The organization is striving to win hockey games. That takes precedence over the trade value of bottom 6 NHL players.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Can we just trade Leivo already, so this forum stops thinking he can fill Martin's role, JVR's role, (Insert name here) role?

**Spoiler alert** The guy is a depth guy. I like him plenty, but he's not taken anyone's job since being here. It says a lot.

that's my wish.

 

[Moncherry]

I guarantee that if we let Leivo go he turns into another Panik.

 

[Clark4Ever]

**Spoiler alert** The guy is a depth guy. I like him plenty, but he's not taken anyone's job since being here. It says a lot.

All it says is that we have insane depth up front when a guy with his numbers at the NHL level can't even crack the lineup.

He's a legit top 9 NHL forward. He'll either prove it in Toronto or somewhere else.

 

[SnizzMitch]

5-3 Leafs
Nylander

 

[Nithoniniel]

And clearly Mike Babcock thinks that Leivo does not make the team better. We know Babcock's background and qualifications. What are the backgrounds and qualifications of those who think he is wrong?

You're a lot for appeals to authority, aren't you? Personally, I prefer the strength of someone's arguments.