Pre-Game Talk: Game 30 - Maple Leafs @ Senators, Dec 7, HNIC

[Auston Matthews]

Kessel didn't practice today.

 

[egd27]

Injuries are an excuse. The Leafs didn't play well and were outshot even when there were no injuries.

We will likely be outshot and outplayed but lets hope we get the 2 points.

While I agree injuries are an excuse to a point, when was this time of no injuries of which you speak?

Have we had a single game where JVR, Bozak, Kessel, Lupul, Kadri, Clarkson, Kulemin, Bolland, McClement,and Raymond were all playing?

 

[LeafsMonster]

Need a string of wins here, we fell behind in the standings. The habs are leading

So according to Siegel, Kessel is dealing with aches and pains but should play tomorrow.

I think he should sit out vs the sens and heal a little. I know we could use him but I don't want him injured even more. He could slot in vs the bruins.

 

[Judas Tavares]

Leafs are 15-8-1 in their last 24 vs. Ottawa dating back to 2009-2010. Sure beats the 8-0 beat downs from 06-08. We've had their number, Kessel and Kadri light them up, they are reeling, this should be a W.

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

Leafs get outshot 50-20 and lose 6-2

 

[LeafsMonster]

Leafs get outshot 50-20 and lose 6-2

Nah, if the Leafs give up 50 shots its almost guaranteed we'll squeak out a win

 

[BayStreetBullies*]

Leafs get outshot 50-20 and lose 6-2

Why haven't you been fired yet?

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Can we stop giving up 50 shots a game please? I would like to see just one game where the Leafs look the more dominant team.

 

[Pi]

Can we stop giving up 50 shots a game please? I would like to see just one game where the Leafs look the more dominant team.

50 shots is good!

We're 4-1-1 when we give up 50 shots since the 2005 lockout.

HF logic.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

50 shots is good!

We're 4-1-1 when we give up 50 shots since the 2005 lockout.

HF logic.

I would bet at least half of those games have to be from this season alone right?

 

[BayStreetBullies*]

Can we stop giving up 50 shots a game please? I would like to see just one game where the Leafs look the more dominant team.

Leafs 4 Preds 0
Wild 1 Leafs 4
Ducks 2 Leafs 4
Pens 1 Leafs 4
Leafs 4 Oilers 0
Islanders 2 Leafs 5

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

Leafs 4 Preds 0
Wild 1 Leafs 4
Ducks 2 Leafs 4
Pens 1 Leafs 4
Leafs 4 Oilers 0
Islanders 2 Leafs 5

Score doesn't always indicate dominance

 

[Peasy]

Ottawa gives up just as many shots as the Leafs, maybe we'll be close in shots.

 

[BayStreetBullies*]

Score doesn't always indicate dominance

That's nice, except I watched all those games too. Leafs did dominate for the most part.

 

[Duffman955]

Score doesn't always indicate dominance

Whats it matter? If Dominance =/= wins, what is the point?

And dominance is extremely hard to quantify, so it is extremely difficult to gauge and support who dominated who.

 

[egd27]

Score doesn't always indicate dominance

Nor does shot count.

 

[LeafOfBread]

Injuries are an excuse. The Leafs didn't play well and were outshot even when there were no injuries.

We will likely be outshot and outplayed but lets hope we get the 2 points.

To be fair, Ottawa gives up around the same number of shots, so we might actually have a chance to outshoot them Anyway I hope Reimer starts this one, he's undefeated in Ottawa. Give Boston to Bernier. Oh and **** the Sens.

 

[Duffman955]

The sens defense is flat out bad. Any pressure an they cough up the pick, yes that includes Karlsson. Don't let him get skating, rush him as soon as he has the puck, he is terrible in one-on-one battles.

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

Whats it matter? If Dominance =/= wins, what is the point?

And dominance is extremely hard to quantify, so it is extremely difficult to gauge and support who dominated who.

A win is a win no doubt. However, if past performance is an indication of future performance, then this team is in trouble.

A system doesn't chance overnight. Our whole defense core wont be traded overnight

And if you are expecting our goaltending to bail this team out game after game, you are playing a dangerous game.

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

Nor does shot count.

If you are being outshot by large margins every game, it should mean something and not nothing

 

[egd27]

A win is a win no doubt. However, if past performance is an indication of future performance, then this team is in trouble.

A system doesn't chance overnight. Our whole defense core wont be traded overnight

And if you are expecting our goaltending to bail this team out game after game, you are playing a dangerous game.

Not if you're correct about past performance being an indication of future performance. Goalies have been bailing us out all year.

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

That's nice, except I watched all those games too. Leafs did dominate for the most part.

So tell me what happened in each game?

For example, being outshot 16-4 by the Pens in the 2nd period. Very dominate by the Leafs?

How many great saves did Reimer have to keep the Leafs in the game?

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

Not if you're correct about past performance being an indication of future performance. Goalies have been bailing us out all year.

Didn't bail us out against Columbus, Nashville, San Jose, Pittsburgh, Montreal.

Just sayin

Reimer and Bernier have been great game after game but they are going to have off games

 

[BayStreetBullies*]

So tell me what happened in each game?

For example, being outshot 16-4 by the Pens in the 2nd period. Very dominate by the Leafs?

How many great saves did Reimer have to keep the Leafs in the game?

As someone said, shots aren't an indication of dominance. And being outshot in one period sure as hell does not signify the Leafs were outplayed through the entire game.

If you want to play dumb and pretend you didn't know what happened in those games, that's fine by me. Anyone who watched those games would know the Leafs were dominant for the most part, and not fantasy-land "dominant for 60 mins" like some ppl on here expect of them.

 

[BayStreetBullies*]

Didn't bail us out against Columbus, Nashville, San Jose, Pittsburgh, Montreal.

Just sayin

Reimer and Bernier have been great game after game but they are going to have off games

Wow, you're saying goaltenders can't win them all? Golly gee whiz, I think you're onto something there Glenny boy.