Value of: (G) Matt Murray

[domaug]

Goalies are like (most) Yu-Gi-Oh cards.

Even good ones are worth 30 cents.

i like the analogy but it's a little flawed. sure, there are plenty of good cards that are cheap and meta relevant.

however, Murray is, IMO, like Apollousa, Bow of the Goddess, which is like $50.

that's "valuable", but only truly worth it for the decks (teams) that can build around it or will need something as good as it to succeed

 

[Knives and Tulips]

Matt Murray for Taylor Hall?

 

[Riptide]

First off- I'll start by stating I don't think for a second he'd be traded. I don't think the org' has the stones to trade the man they chose to keep over Saint Fleury, the Archangel of Pittsburgh- regardless of circumstance.

A trade would only happen on the premise that Muzz is asking for north of 7.5 and the org' has faith in Jarry/CDS moving forward (a tandem that would cost less than half of what MM will make).

So, for the sake of knowledge: what's the value? RFA Matt Murray, north of 7.5M to your club.

I think you need to change that from "stones" to "common sense". Even if Jarry takes his job there's no chance in hell that Rutherford would trade Murray before this summer. He'd be absolutely stupid to do so.

 

[molon labe]

I think you need to change that from "stones" to "common sense". Even if Jarry takes his job there's no chance in hell that Rutherford would trade Murray before this summer. He'd be absolutely stupid to do so.

Yeah that's still trading him....and it's exactly what I was alluding to (since knowing his contract demands will likely happen by next Summer anyway).

Maybe you think it's stupid - what I think is stupid is overpaying the goalie position. It's clearly volatile, and you don't pay premiums for volatility. However - I also don't think it would be stupid to trade him before the Summer if the return were right. Mentions of Nylander/Hall types....those would have a far greater impact to the Penguins roster than having Murray. His playoff prowess is not guaranteed (wasn't that great last year) and you're taking an equal chance on him this year (barring we make it) as you are with TJ/CDS tandem. If he can net a top-6 F ...which I think he absolutely does...or a top 4 D..again he should... that's a better scenario for the Penguins than hanging on to him for 1 more playoff run and/or paying him anywhere near/north of 7M a year.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If Murray continues to play like he has so far this year, he's not getting north of $7 million. I think the talks of trading Murray are ridiculous in the first place, you're really happy if Jarry can end up as good as Murray. Murray struggling and Jarry thriving for 10 games (because it has only been 10 games) is not enough to say they should trade Murray and go with Jarry.

 

[molon labe]

If Murray continues to play like he has so far this year, he's not getting north of $7 million. I think the talks of trading Murray are ridiculous in the first place, you're really happy if Jarry can end up as good as Murray. Murray struggling and Jarry thriving for 10 games (because it has only been 10 games) is not enough to say they should trade Murray and go with Jarry.

No doubt. The original premise was trading him on the grounds that his camp wanted north of 7. He's slowly losing that leg - but who knows if he gets it back?

My recent point of trading him now - is only on the grounds of getting the top-6 F help or a top-4 D...because frankly those positions still outweigh a good Matt Murray at even 6M. TJ is playing extremely well.,...but if he falls a bit (.910 for instance) is that enough for you to pay Murray over the next 7 years? Or do you stick with that .910 guy who's only making 2M and his backup making 1.5? I choose the latter any day because pretty much ANY NHL level goalie is capable of that .940 stretch. We've dummied goalies named Lundqvist just as soon as gotten shut out by AHL call-ups. It's too volatile of a position to turn your nose up at the chance of trading a #1G for legitimate help. St Louis very recently had the entire sports world talking about Jake Allen and Brian Elliott (Pepperage Farm remembers..) and now where are they? Probably still capable of potting a stretch of great games but just don't have the same media backing and teams in front of them. Price goes from being a league MVP to carrying an albatross contract back to playing great... there's just too many factors involved to hitch your wagon to one guy.

 

[molon labe]

Been revisiting scenarios in my head after Jarry's last week+ stretch of games.

Jarry's puckhandling really feed in to the Penguins system. Murray has always been a stud at stopping pucks/play - Jarry seems like he's capable of similar plays but can also feed the transition when necessary. I can't bring myself to push a Murray trade - but the thought of a top-4 D man to replace Schultz or a legitimate top-6 winger to play with Sid or Geno might change that sentiment.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I see a lot of teams in need of a young #1.. Detroit, Ottawa, Buffalo, LA, Edmonton.

If Cory Schneider can get a 9th overall pick I think Murray would fetch a lot.

Calvin Petersen says hi from the kings. La is fine for goalies

 

[LeProspector]

I could definitely see Ottawa visiting a Murray trade in the offseason.

 

[Jerkbait]

Right trade for murray and he is gone. The have 2 other capable goalies and Jarry is looking incredible. Something has to give

 

[Eggtimer]

I’d love for the Devils to get Murray but no way that would happen ( division rivals plus pens not too keen on moving him )
Devils don’t have anything the Pens would be interested in besides Hughes Nico Smith is there?
Just bottom 6 forwards -Wood Zacha Bratt Boqvist ( Bo has too 6 potential )
And nothing on D besides smith and Vatanen (but Vats an upcoming UFA )

Rental Hall with max retention , Boqvist and ..... ya .... not happening as Pens hang up the phone

 

[BHD]

Pens shouldn’t be trading Matt Murray.

 

[DesertPenguin]

A Murray or Jarry trade won't happen till the summer if it happens at all. GMJR got burned in Carolina not having goalie depth, and both the Pens recent cup runs were made possible by having Murray and Fleury sharing the load for injuries and slumps. Let's let the season play out and make a decision based on performance and contract demands

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Right trade for murray and he is gone. The have 2 other capable goalies and Jarry is looking incredible. Something has to give

Why? Why is there a "need" to trade Murray just because Jarry is playing well? Is there some sort of rule that you can only have one good goalie on your roster?

 

[ChaosAgent]

I'm keeping Murray until the end of this year...But if New Jersey offers me rental Hall I'm considering it.

 

[Tom Hanks]

It’s definitely not happening in season. Let it play out and see what happens at the end of the season .

 

[Jerkbait]

Murray for Hall?? pens would do that

 

[Tom Hanks]

Murray for Hall?? pens would do that

No

 

[SEALBound]

Re: Nylander...I think I may do that.

Re: Hall...no.

Re: Sens...I honestly do not know what asset the Sens could reasonably offer. I can think of two: 2019 1st or Brännström and to be frank, I'm even iffy on Brännström and Sens shouldn't trade that 1st.