GDT: Free Agency / Fantasy GM Part 6

[THE Green Man]

would corey perry be a fit for this team? 1 yr 700k? veteran presence. thats IF vancouver ships out money of course.

I’d honestly be fine with Perry and rotate him and Jake based on who’s playing better every few weeks. And if it’s at that price we wouldn’t even need to move out money since even if he got buried his full cap hit goes along with it. These are the types of moves we should be making regardless of moving money as long as Aqua will open the cheque book

 

[RandV]

would corey perry be a fit for this team? 1 yr 700k? veteran presence. thats IF vancouver ships out money of course.

I don't think you can be looking at adding more forwards without taking care of what we already have. Once Gaudette and Virtanen are signed Vancouver will have 15 pro roster forwards to deal with. This includes Baerstchi who was demoted last season and Ferland who should be on the IR, but still there really isn't a lot of room to add another pro contract here.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Did his minutes lessen? Felt like he and Motte were playing every 2nd shift. Even my wife was complaining and she was mostly on her phone.

It always felt like that because they'd get trapped on their shifts out there.

Beagle's ice-time didn't change much in the playoffs, but his offensive-zone start percentage went from like 23% in the regular season to 60% in the bubble. Those are pumping-Cody-Hodgson's-offensive-numbers levels of sheltering.

 

[4Twenty]

It always felt like that because they'd get trapped on their shifts out there.

Beagle's ice-time didn't change much in the playoffs, but his offensive-zone start percentage went from like 23% in the regular season to 60% in the bubble. Those are pumping-Cody-Hodgson's-offensive-numbers levels of sheltering.

I think he also got every shift after a goal and every period start too. It was crazy just always out there.

 

[Nazzlind]

I don't think you can be looking at adding more forwards without taking care of what we already have. Once Gaudette and Virtanen are signed Vancouver will have 15 pro roster forwards to deal with. This includes Baerstchi who was demoted last season and Ferland who should be on the IR, but still there really isn't a lot of room to add another pro contract here.

also need to save a slot for Podkolzin lol

 

[valkynax]

That being said Beagle by all accounts is a huge team guy, never takes a shift off, is clearly beloved in all the post-game videos the Canucks post. He's not an ego-inflated dipshit like Gudbranson telling players better than him to grow some balls.

Wasn't that Sutter calling out Goldobin after the latter scored two goals in a game or something like that?

The problem with Beagle is his cap hit, and how his "leadership" quality is used universally to cover up how bad the player himself is.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Wasn't that Sutter calling out Goldobin after the latter scored two goals in a game or something like that?

The problem with Beagle is his cap hit, and how his "leadership" quality is used universally to cover up how bad the player himself is.

You're right...Gudbranson did have some similar condescending-as-hell quote about Hutton though.

 

[Rey]

I’m not sure why people want Granlund or Hamonic. Harmonic has bailed on his team more than once, prob won’t even play and Granlund cannot play under pressure, haven’t we learned from the other Granlund ?

Once upon a time, Granlund and Tarasenko were the best prospects in all hockey. Granlund has never delivered. He put up good points when his team sucks and he gets ice time but otherwise is pretty Invisible if relied upon.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Thing is with Sundin, is that he wasn't an actual good player when we got him (and what if he decided to go for the full two years..?..would that have hamstrung the team back then?).....Two things: Benning gave an extra year on most of the current crap contracts,which I'm sure he would like back,.... and the emergence of Hughes and EP as a force ,was likely quicker than they thought.

PPG in the playoffs and mentoring Kesler (his words) aren't considered 'good'? How would his two year contract, at the time, hamstrung the team? To support this claim, provide examples of players they wouldn't have been able to sign based on the cap at the time - I can check your math.

In the past, you've said there's no use complaining about a scenario that didn't actually happen (Benning wanting to sign both Lucic and Eriksson in the same off season). How come you're doing it now with Sundin being offered a two year contract, even though he didn't take it? Chalk it up to selective reasoning?

This year is affected, there will be more flexibility next year, ...Hell.,before last season started, more people on HF Canucks had them missing the playoffs (60-40) than making it...

Short term, next season is a bit of a sidestep..Long term, It looks good.

Depending on how they handle the Pettersson/Hughes extensions, and how Edler holds up (either re-signs for cheap based on regression, or is replaced by a cheaper/younger player - that's a big question mark in the top 4). They also need to keep an eye out on re-signing Boeser the year after and Miller/Horvat the summer after that, so they can't sign too many players with term. I would say the long-term looks good as well, but our GM has never shown an ability to effectively plan long-term.

 

[BB06]

Would love for Benning to steal another potential gem in Vince Dunn. Still just 23 and has potential to be a very good 25-35 point defenseman.
It would be nice to dish off some salary, to have a chance to trade for and sign a good player like Dunn.

After watching him in the playoff I have zero interest in Dunn.

 

[Canucks1096]

After watching him in the playoff I have zero interest in Dunn.

Small sample size

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

PPG in the playoffs and mentoring Kesler (his words) aren't considered 'good'? How would his two year contract, at the time, hamstrung the team? To support this claim, provide examples of players they wouldn't have been able to sign based on the cap at the time - I can check your math.

In the past, you've said there's no use complaining about a scenario that didn't actually happen (Benning wanting to sign both Lucic and Eriksson in the same off season). How come you're doing it now with Sundin being offered a two year contract, even though he didn't take it? Chalk it up to selective reasoning?
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He was decent in the playoffs, but when you add up the season, and the entirety..not so much...They didnt really need him after that season...I have no doubt that Kesler got some good mentoring by Sundin.

I didnt claim that an extra Sundin season would have hamstrung the team..I asked the question..would it? ..(read again)

"Like it or not, Sundin showed only glimpses of his former Leaf self, thus not really helping the Canucks as much as he could have, especially for the salary he earned. A mistake? Yes probably, hindsight is always 20/20. But if Sundin contributed at the pace he did in Toronto, we’d all be singing a different tune. But the soap opera unfolded the way it did, and we can all say that for the most part it is a poor grade marked on the report card for both Sundin and Gillis on this one. The lesson here in signing players after training camp will probably be more loudly heard by the rest of the league than just here in Vancouver."..Vancouver Province.2012..

Oh, So THAT'S How You Regard The Mats Sundin Canucks Era | The Province

 

[Bleach Clean]

Why are we talking about Hoffman???

Apparently, Drance strongly hints that Hoffman has allowed the Canucks some time to clear cap space. He wants to sign here.

If Benning felt that confident about clearing space, why didn't he just re-sign Toffoli?

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Also on the main boards is this gem from the Athletic:

Gary Mason: I have heard from multiple sources that the sides had agreed on a draft pick and a contract coming back to Arizona, but they never could agree on the prospect. I think the Coyotes wanted either Thatcher Demko, Vasili Podkolzin or Nils Höglander and the Canucks kept saying no. I have also heard that the Vancouver offer was a first-round pick, a second-round pick, Jake Virtanen and Brandon Sutter.

Essentially, a 1st and Virtanen to take on that bloated OEL contract... Crazy.

Benning is saved from himself here.

 

[vanuck]

I don't often get into the off-ice stuff when considering players but the drama between Hoffman and Karlsson's wives was nasty. Not really a fan of bringing that to this group.

 

[Lupuls Grit]

Would love for Benning to steal another potential gem in Vince Dunn. Still just 23 and has potential to be a very good 25-35 point defenseman.
It would be nice to dish off some salary, to have a chance to trade for and sign a good player like Dunn.

Did you watch him in the playoffs??? He was brutal. If we are going to be committing future cap to a young D-man, I would rather it not be him.

 

[4Twenty]

Did you watch him in the playoffs??? He was brutal. If we are going to be committing future cap to a young D-man, I would rather it not be him.

We don’t usually evaluate the first 6 games of the season that strongly it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to evaluate the first 6 games after a longer pause than a usual offseason.

Dunn is not the type of player the team needs but i feel people are placing too much weight to these games.

 

[Peen]

Apparently, Drance strongly hints that Hoffman has allowed the Canucks some time to clear cap space. He wants to sign here.

If Benning felt that confident about clearing space, why didn't he just re-sign Toffoli?

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Also on the main boards is this gem from the Athletic:

Gary Mason: I have heard from multiple sources that the sides had agreed on a draft pick and a contract coming back to Arizona, but they never could agree on the prospect. I think the Coyotes wanted either Thatcher Demko, Vasili Podkolzin or Nils Höglander and the Canucks kept saying no. I have also heard that the Vancouver offer was a first-round pick, a second-round pick, Jake Virtanen and Brandon Sutter.

Essentially, a 1st and Virtanen to take on that bloated OEL contract... Crazy.

Benning is saved from himself here.

That is horrific.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I don't often get into the off-ice stuff when considering players but the drama between Hoffman and Karlsson's wives was nasty. Not really a fan of bringing that to this group.

Yeah, kind of how I feel. The whole thing is kind of shrouded in mystery, and it wasn’t Hoffman that did anything wrong, but damn, was that story messed up and a potential incendiary device to introduce into a team dynamic.

 

[timw33]

Vancouver offer was a first-round pick, a second-round pick, Jake Virtanen and Brandon Sutter.

Thats just disgusting.

 

[ziploc]

Don’t want Perry. Would find it very difficult to cheer for a team with Perry on it.

 

[PM]

That would have been a crippling trade. The anchor of a contract and no picks in rounds 1 or 2 again. Thank god Arizona said no. Also Benning is still a moron, he’s just a very lucky moron.

 

[timw33]

Cody Ceci just got 1 year $1.25MM from Pitsburgh.

 

[VanJack]

Cody Ceci just got 1 year $1.25MM from Pitsburgh.

Another potential FA d-man off the list. A one year-deal for $1.25m seems like a reasonable deal to me for a right-shot depth d-man like Ceci. But then I thought Stecher at $1.7m would have been a bargain as well. So go figure.

If Jimbo is intent on adding another depth d-man, my guess it comes via another trade rather than the dwindling UFA list.

 

[rypper]

You're right...Gudbranson did have some similar condescending-as-hell quote about Hutton though.

Gudbranson was the "he has to play 200 games in the league to find his game..." or something like that. (Referring to Hutton.)

 

[Melvin]

I thought Luca Sbisa was bad. But then we got Erik Gudbranson, who was worse.

Then we got Jay Beagle...and Gudbranson was still worse.

Excepting Mark Messier’s putrid, lazy, soulless performance in Vancouver, Erik Gudbranson is probably the worst player I have watched try to play hockey for the Vancouver Canucks since I started following them in 1990.

The bolded is sorta what makes it so bad? Like, I agree that Beagle isn't lazy. Definitely not "soulless." But like the fact that he is putting in so much effort and is so completely ineffective is part of why I said that. Like he just can't make a play to save his life, even if he looks like he is playing for his life. I really don't see what tf anyone sees in him as a player to be honest. OK, he can win a faceoff. But what good is it to win a faceoff if you immediately lose possession and get hemmed in your own end until Markstrom freezes it again. Remember Beagle and Ferland to open the season last year? That was like the worst 4 line we have ever had, and we have had fourth lines that were just random AHL players picked up off waivers the same day.