Confirmed with Link: Francis out as GM - Don Waddell named GM 5/8/18

[Stickpucker]

Really? Completely disagree with that take.
He's been extremely consistent in finding not just NHL level but solid players throughout his tenure in LA.

Do we have a list?

 

[My Special Purpose]

Just because he focused more in a certain area doesn't mean he won't be capable focusing on others. That will obviously be what the interview is about. As mentioned many places, he's been thought of as one of the GM's in waiting around the league, for better or worse. I'm interested to hear if you have any possible fits in mind. If you don't, no big deal, it's hard for all of us to know other than look at AGM's and former GM's. Just wondering if you have some guys in mind.

Just based on what Dundon seemed to want, I was thinking he'd be looking more into former GMs rather than up-and-coming guys with no experience. It sounds to me like he wants a manager to best execute organizational decisions. I can't think of a guy more qualified than Dean Lombardi to do that. I would have thought McPhee if Vegas didn't get him. I'd love Dale Tallon, but it won't happen.

I think just like dumpster-diving and elevating guys hasn't worked for our goaltending, it's not a great plan for a GM. I'd like to hire a "name" here with experience around the league. I don't see any reason to hire and up-and-comer and give him his big shot when the plan is to compartmentalize the job.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I really need to see some of these family member posts on HF you people are talking about. I thought this was the dark web.

 

[bleedgreen]

Have we heard anything other than Futa? I mean other than speculation on who people think we should be interested in.

 

[Hulkacaniac]

Just based on what Dundon seemed to want, I was thinking he'd be looking more into former GMs rather than up-and-coming guys with no experience. It sounds to me like he wants a manager to best execute organizational decisions. I can't think of a guy more qualified than Dean Lombardi to do that. I would have thought McPhee if Vegas didn't get him. I'd love Dale Tallon, but it won't happen.

I think just like dumpster-diving and elevating guys hasn't worked for our goaltending, it's not a great plan for a GM. I'd like to hire a "name" here with experience around the league. I don't see any reason to hire and up-and-comer and give him his big shot when the plan is to compartmentalize the job.

Too be fair management and goaltending are two different things. It's not like a GM is going poop his pants while on the phone with another team and give them our next 5 1st round picks. But I think teams deal with AGMs enough that they're almost as much known things as guys in the GM scrap pile.

Really what Dundon wants is someone to work within his system. I think it's easier to get a newer guy to conform than an old boy like Lombardi who's used to running the thing himself.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Too be fair management and goaltending are two different things. It's not like a GM is going poop his pants while on the phone with another team and give them our next 5 1st round picks. But I think teams deal with AGMs enough that they're almost as much known things as guys in the GM scrap pile.

Really what Dundon wants is someone to work within his system. I think it's easier to get a newer guy to conform than an old boy like Lombardi who's used to running the thing himself.

That's a valid point. Experience counts for a lot. But it could be a detriment when Dundon is trying to turn the way things traditionally work on its head a bit perhaps. All of the candidates will likely have preconceived notions of what it's like to be a GM from their current experiences, but maybe not having actually been the big boss, they'll be more open to different concepts.

And while I have no problem with choosing a "name" guy like you suggest kev, it's not like those guys weren't dumpster dives and nobodies at some point either early in their careers.

 

[Drivebytrucker]

Have we heard anything other than Futa? I mean other than speculation on who people think we should be interested in.

Ive read Kyle Dubas in three separate blogs.

 

[MinJaBen]

Ive read Kyle Dubas in three separate blogs.

Have you seen that he is an actual target? I’ve heard that he would be a good candidate, but no official contact confirmed like there has been with Futa.

 

[DaveG]

Do we have a list?

2007: Wayne Simmonds, Alec Martinez, Dwight King, Alec Martinez
2008: Drew Doughty (@#2 OA so no credit on a no brainer), Slava Voynov
2009: Brayden Schenn, Kyle Clifford, Jordan Nolan
2010: Tyler Toffoli
2011: Nick Shore
2012: Taner Pearson, Collin Miller
2014: Adrien Kempe

 

[Sens1Canes2]

He’s been out of the league for a few years, but what about Darcy Regier? He first had to manage an internal budget under Golisano (with some pretty good success) and then had to work under a meddling owner in Pegula.

Wonder if he wants back in the league.

 

[bleedgreen]

Have you seen that he is an actual target? I’ve heard that he would be a good candidate, but no official contact confirmed like there has been with Futa.

Yeah I’ve heard that he’s a good candidate but nothing about whether or not we’re actually contacting him.

 

[Canes]

I'd take Dale Tallon as long as we can got a lottery pick or two to build around.

 

[DaveG]

He’s been out of the league for a few years, but what about Darcy Regier? He first had to manage an internal budget under Golisano (with some pretty good success) and then had to work under a meddling owner in Pegula.

Wonder if he wants back in the league.

Question is what his style would be like. I wouldn't hate the idea, but also considering how badly he f***ed up the Drury and Briere situations I don't exactly like it either.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Question is what his style would be like. I wouldn't hate the idea, but also considering how badly he ****ed up the Drury and Briere situations I don't exactly like it either.

That was all budget driven tho. Kind of a no-win situation.

He’s a really smart, analytical guy who (as far as I know) has good relationships across the league. I think it’d be a plus to have worked for a very hands-on owner (although there should be a more derogatory term for what Pegula is like).

I guess he hasn’t been out of the league for very long, was asst GM in AZ under Maloney.

 

[HisIceness]

Yeah, his dad came in here salty about how he wasn't getting a fair shot in the organization. Legendary HFCanes moment.

Wait what? When was this and why wasn't I around for it?

I remember Levi, he was part of that 2010 draft that included Skinner/Faulk and also Alt/Shugg and trades for Nash and Sanguinetti. The later made a great AHL squad.

Oh yeah and there was some goaltender we took too but he didn't play here, probably because he was a 7th rounder

 

[HisIceness]

He’s been out of the league for a few years, but what about Darcy Regier? He first had to manage an internal budget under Golisano (with some pretty good success) and then had to work under a meddling owner in Pegula.

Wonder if he wants back in the league.

I remember Buffalo fans didn't like him for some reason. Lets also not forgot JR duped him into taking Jamie McBain off our hands for a good year and half of Sekera.

 

[My Special Purpose]

He’s been out of the league for a few years, but what about Darcy Regier? He first had to manage an internal budget under Golisano (with some pretty good success) and then had to work under a meddling owner in Pegula.

Wonder if he wants back in the league.

I almost put Regier on my list of experienced guys but feared he'd be too much of a retread. I like Lombardi because it's clear he trusted his assistants and scouts and just ran things at the top level, like Dundon wants. I don't mind if we hire a new guy, I'd just like to have good relationships in place on Day 1.

 

[bluedevil58]

This Fupa dude reminds me of us going with a back up goalie who is ready to be a starter. I don't know about going with a guy who has never been a true NHL GM. We already struck out once doing that whole shake and bake.

 

[Dishface]

This Fupa dude reminds me of us going with a back up goalie who is ready to be a starter. I don't know about going with a guy who has never been a true NHL GM.

Different job, different situation. If their is a person out there that has been a GM before, he must have done something to get fired or he retired. Assistant still does a lot of grunt work and says a lot in the decisions made. I'll take someone apart of a winning franchise any day.

 

[bluedevil58]

Different job, different situation. If their is a person out there that has been a GM before, he must have done something to get fired or he retired. Assistant still does a lot of grunt work and says a lot in the decisions made. I'll take someone apart of a winning franchise any day.

That also doesn't work. Bill Peters.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Different job, different situation. If their is a person out there that has been a GM before, he must have done something to get fired or he retired. Assistant still does a lot of grunt work and says a lot in the decisions made. I'll take someone apart of a winning franchise any day.

That’s what Buffalo fans said about Tim Murray. The reality is, when trying to assess an asst GM’s body of work, you’re never going to know the whole story. Did Murray draft Karlsson (no)? Did he sign Greening, Cowan, and Wiercioch (yes)?

Doubt those questions were answered honestly during his interview.

 

[Drivebytrucker]

Insider Trading: Who's in line to become Canes' new GM? - Article - TSN


Here's the list of names that Pierre LeBrun and Dreger are floating around.

Apparently the leafs may not let the Canes have talks with Dubas as they're looking as him as their future GM

 

[Dishface]

That’s what Buffalo fans said about Tim Murray. The reality is, when trying to assess an asst GM’s body of work, you’re never going to know the whole story. Did Murray draft Karlsson (no)? Did he sign Greening, Cowan, and Wiercioch (yes)?

Doubt those questions were answered honestly during his interview.

Buffalo had their mind set on competing once drafting eichel and sold the farm. They ditched out their gm that completed their rebuild and then hired to a GM to accelerate it and it blew up in their face. I'm hoping we don't do the same.

 

[Finnish Jerk Train]

Brett Pesce's dad has posted in here with his real name occasionally, FFS.

Wait, he's for real? I always thought that was just somebody clowning around after the Austin Levi thing.

 

[cptjeff]

Wait, he's for real? I always thought that was just somebody clowning around after the Austin Levi thing.

If it was somebody clowning around, I'd expect a week's worth of silly comments at once and then the poster to disappear after the joke got old, rather than occasional comments over the course of months with nothing remotely controversial. I just take it as an older person who didn't realize you don't generally use your real name when registering for sites like this. Even NHLers themselves have been known to actively post on HF, they generally post anonymously like the rest of us. There's a photo out there of Dubinsky on the site from a hotel room on the road, for instance. I belive there was even an attempt to determine exactly what thread he was reading at the time, and there were pretty strong rumors of a GM using the trade forum to gauge fan views of players he was thinking of trading for a little while back. If you want to go on the web and talk hockey, HF is pretty much the primary place to do it. It's the biggest hockey forum out there, and despite all the jokes about crazy posters on the trade forum, there are a lot of incredibly knowledgeable people on this site.