Former Canucks Thread (Dan Hamhuis retires)

[Hit the post]

Lol...on which is the player being put in crucial situations. Totally ignores that McCann has been used as a checking/shutdown *center* earlier his NHL career.

 

[M2Beezy]

Anyways the Mccann Gudbranson trade was among Bennings WORST decisions as our GM. And the Gudbranson Pearson trade was among Bennings BEST decisions as our GM. Mccann is younger and faster than Pearson and currently on a cheaper contract. Pearson is relied on in defensive shutdown situations and has more points this year than Mccann.

Got it.

Dead horse brutalized guys, think we all got it

 

[RandV]

From the Pens POV as well. Watch them trade him once they can't afford them. Pay their core players and shuffle noncore players like no-grit Sutter for cheaper options.

Course Rutherford must have been completely drunk to trade for NoGoodbranson AND give us a decent player in return. Best trade by Benning. Should be charge with grand larceny!

To be fair Pearson was hardly playing 'decent' for them. For a supposed 2nd line winger making $4M unable to score on a team with Crosby and Malkin down the middle, still a dumb trade to acquire Gudbranson but you can't blame them for wanting to ditch Pearson.

 

[RussianRacket]

I only just got around to listening to it, but the interview with Rick Bowness on the Kes and Juice podcast was touching. Both shared stories of how Bowness profoundly impacted their careers, and was a pillar of strength for them at their lows.

Bieksa shared the story of this photo. I think I had seen it before, but I never knew all that was going on.



Bieksa said it was at maybe the low point in his career, when his ice time was diminishing and the trade rumors were swirling. You can see the strain, anxiety, stress, bordering on despair etched on his face. The worn down pose, beads of sweat, and soaked jersey were likely perfectly normal for that time in a practice, but in this photo only serve to emphasize how beaten down Bieksa was feeling. He relates that Bowness came up to him, got on his level, and had a career transforming conversation with him that focused and empowered him.

Really amazing stuff from the podcast. Humorous, but at times it is strikingly grounded and it has already shone such a light on the NHL experience. You need to listen, if you aren't already.

 

[Jyrki21]

I stayed up way too late to watch that whole interview... man, I still love Markus Näslund.

 

[F A N]

I only just got around to listening to it, but the interview with Rick Bowness on the Kes and Juice podcast was touching. Both shared stories of how Bowness profoundly impacted their careers, and was a pillar of strength for them at their lows.

Bieksa shared the story of this photo. I think I had seen it before, but I never knew all that was going on.



Bieksa said it was at maybe the low point in his career, when his ice time was diminishing and the trade rumors were swirling. You can see the strain, anxiety, stress, bordering on despair etched on his face. The worn down pose, beads of sweat, and soaked jersey were likely perfectly normal for that time in a practice, but in this photo only serve to emphasize how beaten down Bieksa was feeling. He relates that Bowness came up to him, got on his level, and had a career transforming conversation with him that focused and empowered him.

Really amazing stuff from the podcast. Humorous, but at times it is strikingly grounded and it has already shone such a light on the NHL experience. You need to listen, if you aren't already.

Bowness was a very respected assistant coach and I think that illustrates why. I'm glad he's getting a chance to be a head coach again.

 

[M2Beezy]

 

[crobro]

Apparently Jared McCann was a very toxic presence in the room

there were articles and posts arresting to that fact as the trade went down

seems like Jimbo was more or less forced into unloading him,

 

[Pip]

Apparently Jared McCann was a very toxic presence in the room

there were articles and posts arresting to that fact as the trade went down

seems like Jimbo was more or less forced into unloading him,

If an immature 19 year old is so toxic he needs to be offloaded for pennies on the dollar then I (somehow) see even less value in any sort of veteran mentorship that this team has overpaid to bring in. Like how could the dressing room be this fragile?

 

[Jay Cee]

Apparently Jared McCann was a very toxic presence in the room

there were articles and posts arresting to that fact as the trade went down

seems like Jimbo was more or less forced into unloading him,

Well, ignoring your argument about Jimbo being forced to do anything which is completely ridiculous, who the hell knows how McCann was in the dressing room? Even if there was a grain of truth to the rumor that he was a cancer in the dressing room what exactly are you talking about? Are we to believe McCann was so disruptive to the team of veterans that he needed to go? That's crazy. I like to get away from calling crap media reports substantive.

 

[Jay Cee]

I shouldn't even say crap media reports. People read whatever they want in media reports sometimes.

 

[Hit the post]

If an immature 19 year old is so toxic he needs to be offloaded for pennies on the dollar then I (somehow) see even less value in any sort of veteran mentorship that this team has overpaid to bring in. Like how could the dressing room be this fragile?

So fragile management would want a cancer like Lucic (when Ryan Miller was still on the team) on the Canucks. Horse****.

 

[vanuck]

Yeah this whole toxic locker room culture **** is way overblown.

 

[StreetHawk]

If an immature 19 year old is so toxic he needs to be offloaded for pennies on the dollar then I (somehow) see even less value in any sort of veteran mentorship that this team has overpaid to bring in. Like how could the dressing room be this fragile?

Sad indictment on the leadership group if they can't help get a 19 year old on track. Where's the pulling the kid aside or having some serious talk with him outside the rink. No inviting him over to stay with them for a few days to see what they do away from the rink to see what it takes to have a long career?

 

[StreetHawk]

Fans in this city are Hypocrites. Decry any veteran like Edler/Hamhuis/Sedins who want to stay cause they want draft picks/prospects for them in a trade, yet when guys like Kesler want out cause they want to win and be a major contributor to that win they get stomped on for being selfish. Kesler was also one of the leaders of the home town discount during the peak years.

 

[Hit the post]

Fans in this city are Hypocrites. Decry any veteran like Edler/Hamhuis/Sedins who want to stay cause they want draft picks/prospects for them in a trade, yet when guys like Kesler want out cause they want to win and be a major contributor to that win they get stomped on for being selfish. Kesler was also one of the leaders of the home town discount during the peak years.

Irony is that the Ducks finished less than 10 more points than the Canucks that first year Kesler was in Anaheim.

 

[rypper]

Apparently Jared McCann was a very toxic presence in the room

there were articles and posts arresting to that fact as the trade went down

seems like Jimbo was more or less forced into unloading him,

The biggest evidence of this came from Beth Bartkowski and Andrey Pedan. I don't put any stock into their opinions.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Irony is that the Ducks finished less than 10 more points than the Canucks that first year Kesler was in Anaheim.

huh? it’s ironic that he wanted to be on a winning team and his team got 109 pts and went to game seven of the third round?

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

gillis on 1040: much of the story is untold or told inaccurately. it’s unfortunate that sometimes you can only tell the story accurately at the expense of someone else and i won’t do that.

 

[Hit the post]

huh? it’s ironic that he wanted to be on a winning team and his team got 109 pts and went to game seven of the third round?

If Willie actually coached properly in the postseason, we likely would’ve advanced to the 2nd round. And that’s without Kesler. Not a huge difference imho.

 

[StreetHawk]

Lol...on which is the player being put in crucial situations. Totally ignores that McCann has been used as a checking/shutdown *center* earlier his NHL career.

With the acquisition of Zucker, see if the Pens can afford to retain both Kahun and McCann in the summer.

9F, 6D, 1G (16 players) under contract for about $69 million. Around $15 mill left to get 7 more players under contract. Murray is RFA coming off $3.75 mill per. DeSmith is under contract and Jarry is also a RFA. If Murray is brought back in the $4 plus mill range, leaves under $11 mill left for the 6 skaters. But, JR is a wheeler dealer GM who can make moves as he was able to move all of Gudbranson's contract for nothing.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Jets fan coming in peace.

Happy Trevor Linden got to finally participate.

 

[Bubbles]

If there was someway to re-sign Hamhuis again, I would love to see him paired with Hughes.

 

[Hit the post]

With the acquisition of Zucker, see if the Pens can afford to retain both Kahun and McCann in the summer

Rutherford dealt Sutter when he became too expensive a luxury. And he turned him into Bonino (who played a fairly significant role in the postseason for at least one of their Cups at a far cheaper price). I suspect the same will happen with McCann. Pay your elite players the big money and hope you have enough cap space to fill out the rest of the roster (something the Leafs can’t seem to do). Opposite approach of Benning. Overpay (often by a huge amount) supporting cast and or replacement level players and hope you can draft enough elite guys on ELCs to fill out your roster.

Can’t explain Rutherford being suckered into obtaining Guds though. Home run trade by Benning here. Best move by our GM by a country mile (that wasn’t related to amateur scouting).

 

[StreetHawk]

Rutherford dealt Sutter when he became too expensive a luxury. And he turned him into Bonino (who played a fairly significant role in the postseason for at least one of their Cups at a far cheaper price). I suspect the same will happen with McCann. Pay your elite players the big money and hope you have enough cap space to fill out the rest of the roster (something the Leafs can’t seem to do). Opposite approach of Benning. Overpay (often by a huge amount) supporting cast and or replacement level players and hope you can draft enough elite guys on ELCs to fill out your roster.

Can’t explain Rutherford being suckered into obtaining Guds though. Home run trade by Benning here. Best move by our GM by a country mile (that wasn’t related to amateur scouting).

Right philosophy to take. Benning didn't have elite players in their prime (all aging guys). But, he was too careless with his spending. Kept adding to the mistakes before getting rid of any. He's tabbed the likes of Sutter (2C), Sven, Eriksson, Ferland as top 6 forwards and they really are not. That's $17.5 mill or so spent there on a miscalculation of their roles. Can be wrong on either term or dollars, not both.