Flyers trade Mike Richards and Jeff Carter in 2011
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McGarnagle
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Cultural reasons.
There are rumors over Richards' partying and Carter's involvement with teammates' wives, whether or not they're true, the franchise needed a big change at that point because things were getting ugly. That core which brought them to a finals in 2010 was at its end.
There are rumors over Richards' partying and Carter's involvement with teammates' wives, whether or not they're true, the franchise needed a big change at that point because things were getting ugly. That core which brought them to a finals in 2010 was at its end.
ted2019
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The was a thing called the "OCC", which stood for the Olde City Crew. It was Ben Eager, Scott Hartnell, Dan Carcillo, Jeff Carter & Mike Richards. They drank and partied in and around an area of Philly called Olde City. They also partied in the South Jersey Shore town of Stone Harbor. They would crash parties on the campus of Temple, Villanova University. The drinking and injures really started to add up, especially with Mike Richards , who reportedly had a pain pill problem from his shoulder injures. It came to a head during one of the All Star breaks when Richards went to Costa Rica to get some pain pills. Ed Snider was beyond angry and he ordered the trading of both Carter & Richards.
Michael Farkas
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As someone who lives in downtown Philly and has a rather, ahem, eventful social life...it wasn't exactly a rarity to see Mike Richards or Jeff Carter out on the town haha...
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In the future, can you please include enough information in the thread title to make the topic evident before people enter?
(I've already edited this title in a fashion consistent with this request.)
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ted2019
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Did you ever see the entire OCC out all together?
The Pale King
Go easy on those Mango Giapanes brother...
I'm just thankful they happened. We'd likely be talking about a Hawks dynasty otherwise, with at least one extra cup for Chicago.
I certainly had reservations about the Carter trade initially. I was happy to be proven wrong emphatically. He's turned into one of my all-time favourite Kings players. His 16-17 under an offensively-stifling Sutter system, with the team crumbling around him, was something special.
I certainly had reservations about the Carter trade initially. I was happy to be proven wrong emphatically. He's turned into one of my all-time favourite Kings players. His 16-17 under an offensively-stifling Sutter system, with the team crumbling around him, was something special.
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Michael Farkas
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Not all at the same time, I don't think...I'm quite sure I've never met Ben Eager before...but Carter, Richards, Hartnell, Carbomb I've all seen out at various times...later Giroux, Hartnell and Simmonds...once with Jagr (at a casino, predictably haha).
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As a Villanova alum, I take issue with the notion that there were ever parties on Villanova's campus
EdmFlyersfan
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Because they were a part of the OCC "Ole City Crew":
Mike Richards
Jeff Carter
Scottie Upshall
Scott Hartnell
Jeoffrey Lupul
Flyers traded away the others (except Hartnell) and the message still didn't get across; as Chris Pronger in the Philly locker-room said along the lines of "You can party all season long or try and win the Cup; you can't do both"
There were rumblings on Philly sports radio that Richards and Laviolette weren't even talking in 2011 and that there was a major rift between him and Pronger.
There was also an incident where he missed a practice during the postseason where the team said he was sick only after the fact. He was starting to get snippy with reporters and I remember joking that he was trying to get himself traded. Little did we know...
Carter did not want to be traded. Not by a long shot.
There was also an incident where he missed a practice during the postseason where the team said he was sick only after the fact. He was starting to get snippy with reporters and I remember joking that he was trying to get himself traded. Little did we know...
Carter did not want to be traded. Not by a long shot.
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usually anytime you trade two players who aren’t superstars in 1-for-2 futures trades and all four futures hit (and i mean really hit—a point/game winger, a selke finalist, a whatever unicorn wayne simmons is, and the worst piece is annual 25 goal scorer brayden schenn) you should win the trade. especially when you still had a hart contender at the same position as the two guys you traded away.
but damn, because carter was a giant baby, LA managed to get both guys for a combined price of simmons, schenn, jack johnson, and a very very late 1st that became marko dano. talk about karma taking a day off.
but damn, because carter was a giant baby, LA managed to get both guys for a combined price of simmons, schenn, jack johnson, and a very very late 1st that became marko dano. talk about karma taking a day off.
They weren't bad trades, either. When big name guys get traded out of the blue for character reason the assumption is you got fleeced but the Flyers came away pretty well. Carter returned Voracek and Couturier, Richards returned Simmonds and B. Schenn.
And as mentioned before, Richards had 9-10 years left on the extension he signed. The Flyers realized they had a very small window where they could get something useful back for him and they did. If they had waited even a year, they would have had a hard time dealing him.
Everything that happened with Richards in LA proved they made the right call. I dont care that the Kings won 2 cups with him, as this was an awful trade for them long-term.
Everything that happened with Richards in LA proved they made the right call. I dont care that the Kings won 2 cups with him, as this was an awful trade for them long-term.
ted2019
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The rumors about Hartnell's then wife and Carter weren't true.
ted2019
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Carter was held up in his Stone Harbor beach house like he was some kind of hostage.
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also funny that if the organization had a pattern for trading away players that abused drugs/alcohol, they would have never had won any cups in the 70's.
Oh yeah, also definitely worth noting that Giroux at that point was seen by the organization a burgeoning superstar at centre who was being blocked from more ice time/his proper position because of Carter and Richards.
The Pale King
Go easy on those Mango Giapanes brother...
Why wouldn't you care about the two cups? I mean, if you don't like the sport, I'll concede it's insignificant in the grand scheme of things. But if you're posting on a History of Hockey forum... how are the two cups not relevant? Isn't the goal of this whole here sport to win the Stanley Cup?
It was a win-win deal. They happen. I don't understand the constant need for certain Flyer fans to act as though the Kings lost the deal. An "awful" trade. . . really now? Schenn was years away from being useful on a contender, but yes, Simmonds was and is an excellent player. Was sad to see him go. Richards was instrumental in the 2012 playoffs, particularly in getting by Vancouver, but he was also super underrated in the 2014 run.
Unless you're posting in character with your username, that's just a laughably bad take on how things went down.
Ziggy Stardust
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Since making the highly successful trades, the furthest the Flyers have gone is the second round, which happened once, and that was in 2012 when they got ousted in 5 games against the Devils. Since then, the Flyers have been through three different head coaches, missed the playoffs four times, and have been eliminated in the first round three times.
So yeah, the Flyers clearly made the right call and have been the model for success since their last successful playoff run.
So yeah, the Flyers clearly made the right call and have been the model for success since their last successful playoff run.
Aside from the supposed off-ice issues, the Flyers were also trying to make room for Bryzgalov’s contract.
