All I can say is that it is fantastic to hear directly from an NHL player on details of their play, and what makes them tick. Listening to reporters speculate, and fans as well, is just boring.
Confirmed with Link: Flyers Trade Jakub Voracek To Columbus For Cam Atkinson
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Fletcher deserves way more blame for the deck chair shuffling. He's the one that shipped out significant draft capital AND took on longer-term salary obligation AND at the same time acquired an expensive and controversial rental, all with the aim of sleight-of-handing the fans back into the arena to pay for it all. And has no AHL team to boot.
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voracek has "Ecken und Kanten" we would say in Germany. In english i would say he has rough edges. The franchise dont want players like that. So they got Thompson, ATki, Brassi and all the other useless id players!°
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They don't want humans, they want characters.
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I've never been more convinced that I found Ken M in a forum before. Holy shit this is hilarious.
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It's funny really.
On the other hand people glamour and long for personalities to the sport like JR, Chelios and others were in the 90s, yet brass and media immediately cancel anybody who is a bit outspoken or wants to show personality.
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In Philly, you can have personality as long as you have "grit."
Kelce is a perfect example.
Embiid is far more lovable since he got serious about getting into shape and playing hard.
No one resents Harper's contract b/c he plays hard and delivers.
Kelce is a perfect example.
Embiid is far more lovable since he got serious about getting into shape and playing hard.
No one resents Harper's contract b/c he plays hard and delivers.
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Let's not forget that Voracek would have suppressed numbers, just like the rest of the team, if he was still here playing in AV's garbage system and on Therrien's comical powerplay.
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He's definitely benefiting from a better PP in Columbus. He has 10 PP points. That's almost the production or our entire 1st unit combined lol.
Striiker
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Wrong.
We saw that the old core wasn't an issue at all. Which anyone who was paying attention already knew.
The suggestion that we "had to" to trade the core players or we needed a "shakeup" was never a logical argument. It was people being too lazy to properly evaluate the team and just wanting change for the sake of change.
Meanwhile, none of the real problems got addressed. That's why this year is so much worse than last year and all the "problems" are now thriving elsewhere.
We saw that the old core wasn't an issue at all. Which anyone who was paying attention already knew.
The suggestion that we "had to" to trade the core players or we needed a "shakeup" was never a logical argument. It was people being too lazy to properly evaluate the team and just wanting change for the sake of change.
Meanwhile, none of the real problems got addressed. That's why this year is so much worse than last year and all the "problems" are now thriving elsewhere.
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Seattle really should have selected Ghost or Voracek.
The Flyers made these decisions, because their GM was stupid or their coach was a jerk.
The Flyers made these decisions, because their GM was stupid or their coach was a jerk.
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The old core was an issue b/c it was "old."
That is, it was time to start moving on, when Berube goes on to win a Cup, when Hakstol is turning a terrible team around, at some point it can't be all on the coaches - I mean when players move on and play better, we blame the coaches, so if coaches move on and coach better, should we blame the players?
Voracek was only really effective in Philly on the first line, same with TK.
2018-2021
Voracek with G & C, CF 55.61%, xGF 53.76%
Voracek w/o them: CF 45.72%, xGF 45.34%
G & C w/0 Voracek: CF 58.74%, xGF 57.13%
Couts w/0 G & V: CF 53.09%, xGF 50.13%
G w/0 C &V: CF 48.52%, xGF 47.80%
TK with G&C, CF 60.18, xGF 55.47%
TK w/0 them: CF 47.93%, xGF 48.59%
G & C w/o TK: CF 55.74%, xGF 55.87%
Couts w/o G & TK: CF 51.08%, xGF 51.00%
G w/0 Couts & TK: CF 48.11%, xGF 48.81%
Couts is the straw that stirs the drink, while Voracek and TK were basically interchangeable.
So it made sense to move the 32 year old forward making $8.25M.
Atkinson, CF 46.09%, xGF 42.70%, but dragged down by a hole at center.
That is, it was time to start moving on, when Berube goes on to win a Cup, when Hakstol is turning a terrible team around, at some point it can't be all on the coaches - I mean when players move on and play better, we blame the coaches, so if coaches move on and coach better, should we blame the players?
Voracek was only really effective in Philly on the first line, same with TK.
2018-2021
Voracek with G & C, CF 55.61%, xGF 53.76%
Voracek w/o them: CF 45.72%, xGF 45.34%
G & C w/0 Voracek: CF 58.74%, xGF 57.13%
Couts w/0 G & V: CF 53.09%, xGF 50.13%
G w/0 C &V: CF 48.52%, xGF 47.80%
TK with G&C, CF 60.18, xGF 55.47%
TK w/0 them: CF 47.93%, xGF 48.59%
G & C w/o TK: CF 55.74%, xGF 55.87%
Couts w/o G & TK: CF 51.08%, xGF 51.00%
G w/0 Couts & TK: CF 48.11%, xGF 48.81%
Couts is the straw that stirs the drink, while Voracek and TK were basically interchangeable.
So it made sense to move the 32 year old forward making $8.25M.
Atkinson, CF 46.09%, xGF 42.70%, but dragged down by a hole at center.
Tripod
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Reminder....Jake only had 8 PP pts in 53 games last year on our putrid PP.
It only took him 14 games in CBus to reach 8 PP pts this year.
So yeah,
Magua
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Columbus had the 4th worst PP in the league last season (GF/60). Voracek is really fortunate.
Tripod
I hate this team
They have 12 PP goals this year and Jake has points on 10 of them. Quite impressive.
Laine still doesn't have a PP goals either. So Jake will get more assists when those start going in.
trading Jake wasn't really a problem..it was really like they did nothing else really legit aside from exchanging him for a "shooter" in Cam and trading for Ellis..in the end it was still overall the same core with a few new shiny pieces..i don't count Risto, because aside from giving out a 1st and like they are candy..it was a wash of a move
all and all..Chuck screwed the pooch
all and all..Chuck screwed the pooch
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Kind of a loaded thought process. In sports (in any city), being gritty without being stupid will *always* make you well-liked. Shows effort and determination, universally adored traits.
Those guys above are all loved because they're really, really good (and them being gritty helps). Embiid plays through injury, but I wouldn't really call him gritty. I remember fans loved him his first year on the court though when he was dancing with cheerleaders and stuff - so he's kind of always been liked here once he hit the court finally.
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No one had more "personality" than Charles Barkley, but he personified "grit."
Iverson was more complex, fearless on the court, a flake off the court.
Dawkins was loved as much for his grit as his talent.
Duce wasn't as talented as Ricky Watters, but far more gritty.
Bobby Clarke was the essence of "grit."
Iverson was more complex, fearless on the court, a flake off the court.
Dawkins was loved as much for his grit as his talent.
Duce wasn't as talented as Ricky Watters, but far more gritty.
Bobby Clarke was the essence of "grit."
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But his contract is one year... Longer?Hasn't played a game since April 12th. Hasn't scored a point since March 27th. Hasn't scored a goal since March 18th.
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