JojoTheWhale
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Finn or not, I'd be floored if the current staff was lower than consensus on Barkov. I'd expect something more like 2nd or 3rd.
Well, Dennis Patterson did have the title of head scout at the time. Hextall has pretty obviously pushed him to the side. He used to sit right next to the big boys at the draft table. In 2017 he was sitting in no mans land. This past draft I didn't even see him. The OHL was supposedly his bread and butter. Hexy hired a new OHL guy pretty quickly as well.
Finn or not, I'd be floored if the current staff was lower than consensus on Barkov. I'd expect something more like 2nd or 3rd.
That list looks no better looking at it 5 years later. Good god. Look at that top 15 especially. These are the same scouts in the CHL, mind you, as we have now. Either they still have some eek rankings that just never materialize (which is always true to some degree) and/or Hextall has whipped them into shape some. Then again, their WHL and Q drafting, outside of no brainer high picks, has generally either evaporated or done poorer than other leagues. But it's not like they don't cross-over scout too. With how they draft now, I just have a hard time seeing them form that list in 2018, but who knows?
Tbf Hextall has traded 7th round picks in consecutive drafts for no additional compensation.And he openly states that even 7th round picks are "freaking important" and what not. Holmgren was obviously the exact opposite.
I don't know what direction a GM gives, but I would presume he has asked them to emphasize different skills in their evaluations?
Clearly Hextall does place a lot of value on mid-late round picks hitting, and not in an AHL lifer sense. He emphasizes it. But I also don't understand what the scouts were doing before that. Good players are good players; the entire point of scouting is to find the best players. How do you need to be steered towards that?
Hextall: "We need you to find more high IQ, skilled players."
Scouts: "Ohhhhhhh, okkkkkkay. Gotcha, boss. Sorry about that! I thought we were looking for dumb, low skilled players. Our mistake."
Clearly Hextall does place a lot of value on mid-late round picks hitting, and not in an AHL lifer sense. He emphasizes it. But I also don't understand what the scouts were doing before that. Good players are good players; the entire point of scouting is to find the best players. How do you need to be steered towards that?
Hextall: "We need you to find more high IQ, skilled players."
Scouts: "Ohhhhhhh, okkkkkkay. Gotcha, boss. Sorry about that! I thought we were looking for dumb, low skilled players. Our mistake."
As Appleyard states, the USHL and European scouting seem to have been the difference. The guys drafted out of the CHL in the later rounds have still been bombs for the most part.Clearly Hextall does place a lot of value on mid-late round picks hitting, and not in an AHL lifer sense. He emphasizes it. But I also don't understand what the scouts were doing before that. Good players are good players; the entire point of scouting is to find the best players. How do you need to be steered towards that?
Hextall: "We need you to find more high IQ, skilled players."
Scouts: "Ohhhhhhh, okkkkkkay. Gotcha, boss. Sorry about that! I thought we were looking for dumb, low skilled players. Our mistake."
Patterson is that dreaded loud, veteran scout who doesn’t know what he’s doing & talks over younger scouts. Not that Greig or Hearty have been great. I tend to think Hextall & Pryor have a ton of input & don’t defer as much as others might.
Did you watch Flight Plan when Comcast recorded a scouting meeting? And there have been a few interviews with Patterson over the years where he also gives off that vibe. That’s at least been my feeling for a while.Source?
Whoever was pounding the table for the 2017 OHL kids is looking pretty good right now.As Appleyard states, the USHL and European scouting seem to have been the difference. The guys drafted out of the CHL in the later rounds have still been bombs for the most part.
I think the other thing that can’t be overlooked is the amount of picks that Hextall has had compared to Holmgren. I think the team is more willing to take chances with more picks then going the safe route which usually results in a dud. An example of this is the 4th round of 2015 where Dove McFalls was chosen ahead of Vorobyev. Dove McFalls is a classic late round Holmgren pick so without the second 4th rounder, Vorobyev isn’t in the system. A look at Ginning this year. Does the team take a bigger risk on a higher upside player if they have a 3rd rounder? Maybe with only one pick in rounds 2 and 3, the team went the safe route and picked a guy who’s had a greater chance to make the NHL as a 3rd pair versus two guys who could maybe hit a bit higher but with also a greater chance they bomb.
Tbf Hextall has traded 7th round picks in consecutive drafts for no additional compensation.
And inevitably get career ending injury. Such is a life of flyers fans.It sure would be nice to have Cayden Primeau in our goalie pipeline as well. Can never have too many quality goalie prospects until one of them actually hits and owns the #1 position on the Flyers for an extended period of time.
As Appleyard states, the USHL and European scouting seem to have been the difference. The guys drafted out of the CHL in the later rounds have still been bombs for the most part.
Bombs was a bit harsh but two weren’t signed. Fazleev looks like he is about to wash out and go home. Its too early to judge Bunnaman, Strome, Sushko and Wylie. I don’t see that much difference between those guys and the types Holmgren was drafting late from the CHL was my point.What qualifies as later rounds?
Fazleev, Dove-McFalls, Bunnaman, Salinitri, Strome, Sushko, and Wylie are the CHL picks drafted after the 3rd round under Hextall.
So that's one forward who became an AHL depth player, two forwards who didn't get signed, three other forwards who have signed ELCs, and a dman who just got drafted.
If we were to do a redraft of 2013 how does the flyers board hold up
It still boggles my mind that ASF was dumb enough to not censor this.
its the reason hexy fired him. And its the reason why he hates hextall
I don't understand how he could expect any other out come.