Waived: Flames waive Brett Kulak

[Kakko Schmakko]

Weird, are GMs forgetting to pay attention to waivers in the summer?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Weird, are GMs forgetting to pay attention to waivers in the summer?

Or nobody wants to go to arbitration.

 

[Kahvi]

Maybe because he isn't.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Or nobody wants to go to arbitration.

they can walk away from it if they don't like the amount awarded.

 

[1989]

I love the exact same misinformation being repeated every second page in all waiver threads, ever.

 

[mouser]

they can walk away from it if they don't like the amount awarded.

No, they can't.

 

[Lunatik]

they can walk away from it if they don't like the amount awarded.

No, they cannot. An award has to be over a certain threshold to walk away and that threshold is over $4 million IIRC

 

[Stuzchuk]

LMAO, you know it's summer when Brett Kulak hitting waivers gets 5 pages

as for OP, they have little room on defense and probably management wasnt impressed enough to keep him on the big team (at least he got a qualifying offer)

 

[Lunatik]

LMAO, you know it's summer when Brett Kulak hitting waivers gets 5 pages

as for OP, they have little room on defense and probably management wasnt impressed enough to keep him on the big team (at least he got a qualifying offer)

It's because of arbitration, now the Flames can sit down in the hearing and state that no one wanted him for free, so why does he deserve what he's asking.

It was a calculated risk, he's a decent #6 defenseman, but this strategy probably brought his contract from a million or so to close to the league minimum

 

[Kahvi]

LMAO, you know it's summer when Brett Kulak hitting waivers gets 5 pages

as for OP, they have little room on defense and probably management wasnt impressed enough to keep him on the big team (at least he got a qualifying offer)

I said before it's all about money. Treliving is probably ok with keeping Kulak as bottom pairing D, but wanted to gamble a bit to see if he could lower the price. And if he was claimed, Flames had other options for that spot

 

[Flameshomer]

Meh i'm not convinced he takes the 6d spot even if we do keep him at league minimum. He was pretty useless last year.

 

[Lunatik]

Meh i'm not convinced he takes the 6d spot even if we do keep him at league minimum. He was pretty useless last year.

I personally have him pegged as the #7 with Stone and Andersson playing together

 

[DFF]

Can they send him to the minor after training camp without waiving him again?

Not saying they will/should. He is ok as a 6th or 7th dman

 

[Flameshomer]

I personally have him pegged as the #7 with Stone and Andersson playing together

I would put him as our 8 tbh. I feel like the flames media has been pumping kylington quite a bit lately and he had a big role last year under Huska. Have a feeling he will be given a long look on that bottom pair too.

 

[Lunatik]

I would put him as our 8 tbh. I feel like the flames media has been pumping kylington quite a bit lately and he had a big role last year under Huska. Have a feeling he will be given a long look on that bottom pair too.

Kylington needs time to be top pair in Stockton. After watching all his AHL games, I can confidently say that he's not NHL ready. Also it's stupid to have him sitting in the press box, when he could be playing because he's not even close to Andersson and Stone

 

[SmellOfVictory]

More or less, yeah. It’s a ‘we’re willing to risk losing you to prove our point that you’re not worth what you’re asking for’ power move.

A bit dickish but I bet the Flames think they’re fine replacing him with Andersson if he does get claimed.

Dickish for sure, but arbitration is a dickish process in general, from what I've read. If you've got a third party determining the contract for your player, you're probably going to use every tool available to fight for your case.

 

[Bank Shot]

Weird, are GMs forgetting to pay attention to waivers in the summer?

I'm sure they saw it. He just sucks. lol

 

[895]

Everyone's saying it was to destroy him in arbitration but I thought there was a specific set of criteria that can be used in arbitration and it doesn't appear as if "no other team wanted him on waivers" is on it.

The evidence that can be used in arbitration cases includes:

• The player's "overall performance" including statistics in all previous seasons
• Injuries, illnesses, and the number of games played
• The player's length of service with the team and in the NHL
• The player's "overall contribution" to the team's success or failure
• The player's "special qualities of leadership or public appeal"
• The performance and salary of any player believed to be comparable to the player in the dispute

 

[Volica]

Everyone's saying it was to destroy him in arbitration but I thought there was a specific set of criteria that can be used in arbitration and it doesn't appear as if "no other team wanted him on waivers" is on it.

The evidence that can be used in arbitration cases includes:

• The player's "overall performance" including statistics in all previous seasons
• Injuries, illnesses, and the number of games played
• The player's length of service with the team and in the NHL
• The player's "overall contribution" to the team's success or failure
• The player's "special qualities of leadership or public appeal"
• The performance and salary of any player believed to be comparable to the player in the dispute

You can't make 2 million like Ryan Pullock just did. 30 other GMs would have picked up Ryan Pullock if he hit waivers last week, we certainly would have.

This is how you spin this.

 

[DJJones]

Everyone's saying it was to destroy him in arbitration but I thought there was a specific set of criteria that can be used in arbitration and it doesn't appear as if "no other team wanted him on waivers" is on it.

If you get waived, any argument of your overall contribution to team success goes in the toilet.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Dickish for sure, but arbitration is a dickish process in general, from what I've read. If you've got a third party determining the contract for your player, you're probably going to use every tool available to fight for your case.

True. Probably worth it for a marginal guy like Kulak, but I don’t know if it would be wise for anyone you could potentially want to keep around long term

 

[Dan Kelly]

Wow nobody in the league wanted a free #4 defenseman?

Shocked I say

he's a #4 in Flames fans minds only.

 

[Lunatik]

he's a #4 in Flames fans minds only.

He's a top 4 defenseman in the mind of the same genius that knows better than the 31 GMs in the NHL, thought Jakub Nakladal was a top 4 defenseman, thinks Monahan is our 4th best center and thinks Bennett would be a perennial Hart nominee if not for Gulutzan

 

[CraigBillington]

I guess he can play for Stockton this weekend?

 

[Fig]

1- Montreal was probably not last on the waiver list tho. We made the playoffs the year before, but I agree Montreal might not have picked him up if Kassian didn't f**k up.

I think they were 2nd or third last? And it's a well known story that Byron hit Montreal management's radar due to a YouTube video.

Everyone's saying it was to destroy him in arbitration but I thought there was a specific set of criteria that can be used in arbitration and it doesn't appear as if "no other team wanted him on waivers" is on it.

No, but there is:

• The performance and salary of any player believed to be comparable to the player in the dispute

What comparable contracts are out there of players who clear waivers without a contract? I think that's a serious bullet in the chamber for the Flames. Management doesn't even have to bring out the big guns if they hit arbitration. This point alone probably puts the arbitrator on the Flames management side. Kulak might just take Whatever is offered this weekend.