Confirmed with Link: Flames sign Paul Byron to 1-year, $900K contract

Lunatik

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Glad for Byron :D

Here's hoping that once he has the pin removed from his wrist (apparently he had wrist surgery too like Jooris and Colborne), he will be more effective in his shots. :nod:

I was reading something on CP where apparently in the season before this one, Byron was deadly on the breakaway. Hope he returns to form. I'm another who really likes Byron's game and see hints of MSL in him. Unfortunately he doesn't have the new prospect shiny toy lustre and is low on time.
He was deadly on the breakaway in the AHL, in fact he was a very good offensive player in the AHL. But it has yet to translate to the NHL. Although I think alot of us (myself included) forget he is just 26.
 

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No, Ferland is what you describe. Bollig is just... there.
Ferland who is coming off a season with where he suffered a pretty serious concussion and has 8 fights as a pro? Let's not throw this guy in over his head yet. Let's let him show he can do it before we just hand him that job.

Tim Jackman is an energy player, unlike Bollig. We watched him for so many years, you should know that.
Bollig and Jackman are extremely similar players.

Carcillo? One of those teams to reach the finals got rid of him that season BEFORE then for a 7th rounder.
Another one of those teams dropped him and didn't skip a beat without him.
And what exactly did he contribute during the Hawks' run this year? Dude didn't even play and they won a cup!
You just stated top teams don't have guys like that. They may not play them much in the playoffs, but they do indeed have them. Let's not back peddle too much though.

Two more fights would have put him tied for 8th place. There were many games where Bollig was out there looking to pick fights but other teams were more interested in playing hockey. He's not
Bollig was never out there just looking for fights. [mod]

I was wrong, what's your point? Treliving didn't qualify him the season before and he missed a ton of time with injury, it would have shocked no one if he hadn't been qualified.
 
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. Let's let him show he can do it before we just hand him that job.

Other than when he injured himself, Ferland played more minutes than Bollig in every single game since March 21st 2015. There is almost zero question who would be given a roster spot between the two. It's not about handing him a job.

You just stated top teams don't have guys like that. They may not play them much in the playoffs, but they do indeed have them. Let's not back peddle too much though.

The Lightning don't. The Blackhawks didn't, unless you want to count a guy who spent most of the season and all of the playoffs on LTIR. Those were the two best teams in the NHL when it was all said and done. The league is shifting and the onus is on Treliving/Burke to be at the forefront, not to be two years late to the party.

I was wrong, what's your point?

My point is that Treliving is not as predictable as you seem to think he is. His offseason moves are the total opposite of the ones made when Burke first hired him. He's probably looking at all his 2014 offseason moves and trying to fix them. Bollig's not a big deal, but he's not going to throw a good prospect like Shore or Ferland to waivers just so he can hang on to Brandon Bollig(unless they disappoint in training camp), and likewise he's not going to make Byron play in the AHL when he's more effective than Bollig at hockey(which is not something anyone should deny). He values abilities like skill and skating more than he values "truculence". Reading into his comments, he doesn't have the same philosophy as Burke, and he, not Burke, is the GM. Doesn't mean physicality and toughness don't have their place, but that place will be filled by the Austin Carolls and Micheal Ferlands not the Brandon Bolligs and Kevin Westgarths and Brian McGrattans.

Treliving didn't qualify him the season before and he missed a ton of time with injury, it would have shocked no one if he hadn't been qualified.

As it will shock no one if Brandon Bollig is waived to make a roster spot for a better player. More likely, though, is that Bollig gets flipped for a 2016 6th rounder or something along those lines. If someone wants him. Which is optimistic.
 
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Lunatik

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Treliving is trying to fix all his 2014 off-season moves? That is a whole new level of ridiculousness. :help:
 

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I'm not sure Bollig gets waived, the West is still the West and you still need guys like him. We had Jackman, Bollig is definitely that breed of player. Your talking about a 4th line guy though, some of the other players being mentioned should not being there.
 

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Seriously? You don't see why a 24 year old natural playmaker that has size, speed, ability to use his body and has shown himself not to be out of place in the NHL? Gee, I wonder why. :help:

Wow, sounds like a premier prospect the way you describe him. Oh wait, he's 24 and still hasn't really cracked an NHL roster, and Florida was one of those rosters.

Please direct me back to this post when he explodes onto the scene, otherwise I'll still watch for the Drew Shore that I saw last year and didn't impress me.
 

chunkylover53

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Bollig stinks, people still hold on to this idea that you need players like him lol. And yeah pretty much last seasons moves weren't good (bollig, raymond, engelland). Turns out even 3 year deals were too long.
 

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Whether you like their play or not, I think Bollig and Engelland turned out to be a big part of our culture and our locker-room last season. Exactly the same way McGrattan was the season before. I don't know if we would have had the same success if we replaced those two guys with fresh-faced rookies who weren't ready yet.
 

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Bollig stinks, people still hold on to this idea that you need players like him lol. And yeah pretty much last seasons moves weren't good (bollig, raymond, engelland). Turns out even 3 year deals were too long.

The issue really is last year we needed some stop gaps. Who knew this team was going to turn into a playoff team so quickly.

The deals aren't so bad that they can't swing any of them.
 

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Whether you like their play or not, I think Bollig and Engelland turned out to be a big part of our culture and our locker-room last season. Exactly the same way McGrattan was the season before. I don't know if we would have had the same success if we replaced those two guys with fresh-faced rookies who weren't ready yet.

Meh, I just take that as he stinks and is overpaid, but he does some other things to contribute in positively in other ways even though we don't even know whether it's true... which means it's totally worth it. If you are going that route, you should just keep McGrattan or get some other UFA guy on a cheaper deal than spending assets/cap on Bollig.
 

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The point is if some of the younger players outplayed him then Bolig can be waived.

I am not sure why the Flames would want to keep him if somebody can do a better job. Bolig role is not that important. There are other players than can fill that role if needed.

Bolig is not one of the players that come to camp with a guaranty. Period.
 

chunkylover53

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The point is if some of the younger players outplayed him then Bolig can be waived.

I am not sure why the Flames would want to keep him if somebody can do a better job. Bolig role is not that important. There are other players than can fill that role if needed.

Bolig is not one of the players that come to camp with a guaranty. Period.

Truculence... or something like that.
 

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Meh, I just take that as he stinks and is overpaid, but he does some other things to contribute in positively in other ways even though we don't even know whether it's true... which means it's totally worth it. If you are going that route, you should just keep McGrattan or get some other UFA guy on a cheaper deal than spending assets/cap on Bollig.

To clarify, I don't think Bollig sucks, but I also don't think Treliving or Burke got out of that deal what they thought they were getting. They publicly said that they saw potential there and that Bollig was ready to take a step and grab a much bigger role. His role in Calgary ended up being basically the same as it was, which indicates that the trade didn't pan out as advertised.

Engelland, on the other hand, did in fact seize a bigger role here in Calgary than he had in Pittsburgh. I wouldn't say for certain whether he met management's expectations, though. For what it's worth, I do not think that Wotherspoon/Schlemko/Potter/Diaz were better or more effective players than Engelland this season, so I'm okay with the fact that we paid what we had to pay to get him to come here.
 

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He was deadly on the breakaway in the AHL, in fact he was a very good offensive player in the AHL. But it has yet to translate to the NHL. Although I think alot of us (myself included) forget he is just 26.

I could be wrong as I am purely speculating here, but Byron isn't "strong" enough even though he plays a strong game. Therefore, he gets injured and isn't as effective. Like MSL, he has a huge uphill battle to face to grab a permanent roster spot in the NHL. I love Byron and if our boys emulate Byron in small things, imagine how deadly that would be to have in larger bodies. But IMO, he is a sort of a project. It might be more palatable if we think of him that way.

Byron is a stopgap at this point. He has to fight to get permanent roster spot. That's fine by me in comparison to other stop gaps like Raymond we have in our system.

IMO the players who are whipping boys are essentially stop gaps that ended up being redundant 3 months after being signed due to the kids maturing in a time frame which I guess must have been about 2 years (pure guess based on the 3 year deals). My guess based on Treliving's moves last season was that he over estimated our weaknesses as a team (hard to fault him, reasons coming up). This was why Engelland was brought in to be a D and RW if necessary, and Raymond to be a stopgap for Barts, Gaudreau etc.

I recall reading somewhere that management (might have been Burke) said that when Gaudreau was tossed in the press box the first time, they were getting ready to demote him to the AHL. Lucky for us, he took that press box shift and came back and tore it up and turned into a permanent roster player. Bouma excelled beyond comprehension this season as well and had top line time when we expected him to be a career 3/4 liner (might still be the case... but I think he has a few 2nd line season duties in him due to our current depth). On paper we had a team that was to rival Edmonton, Buffalo and Arizona in tank mode. Let's not forget that. We know that management wanted playoffs, but I'll be damned if they had Wardo's mentality at the beginning of the year.

Treliving didn't overreact. He conservatively did what was a safe and necessary move for our franchise last season only to find that several of the moves were quickly unnecessary due to the explosion of talent during the year. His error might not be the players he grabbed, but the time frame he thought he needed them for.

Most of the "screw ups" on left wing for Raymond and Bollig might have been due to the explosions of Gaudreau and Bouma who forced those two down the roster. Both not expected to be in the lines they were in.

Also, we like to laugh at Burke for talking about truculence (me included), but I'm slowly starting to see the point. With the obsolescence of the old school enforcer, a new level of brinkmanship has begun. It's like a wear down by 100 punches sort of deal rather than a baseball bat to the knees old school style. Rather than send a guy out to take out good players, new teams just check hard and turn the opponent to mush. Anaheim and Winnipeg are the best examples of this. Truculence might be necessary because of Burke for aiding idea wise to the Anaheim team in our conference. Technically, Byron is a truculent player. (I'm sure Burke clarified his truculence stance in an interview, but I don't recall which one). This further exacerbated by the fact we play a counter type of game (same type of counter in boxing) and really hang in there tooth and nail due to perhaps amazing conditioning of our players, we really need some tough as nails and sandpaper guys to play an effective game (Hunter Smith sorta guys).

I'd love to hear other thoughts though as I am sure I don't have the perfect unbiased view of what our team did though. Would love to hear what others think too.

Blah blah blah... Yay Byron! :)
 

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To clarify, I don't think Bollig sucks, but I also don't think Treliving or Burke got out of that deal what they thought they were getting. They publicly said that they saw potential there and that Bollig was ready to take a step and grab a much bigger role. His role in Calgary ended up being basically the same as it was, which indicates that the trade didn't pan out as advertised.

Engelland, on the other hand, did in fact seize a bigger role here in Calgary than he had in Pittsburgh. I wouldn't say for certain whether he met management's expectations, though. For what it's worth, I do not think that Wotherspoon/Schlemko/Potter/Diaz were better or more effective players than Engelland this season, so I'm okay with the fact that we paid what we had to pay to get him to come here.

I don't think Bollig lived up to what Burke and Treliving wanted to get from him; but I also think it's the result of two things rather than just one (being Bollig didn't step up to earn more of a role). If we remember the year before; Calgary felt they were victimized running Big Ern out there nightly (recalling the Vancouver game he was bounced from and there were 'liberties' taken) and went out to get Westy (to the salty dissatisfaction of many posters here). Now the issue with rolling Westy and Big Ern out there; is neither of them are particularly good hockey players.

I truly believe they brought Bollig in to be an upgrade to Westgarth; a guy who can play some minutes, is tough as nails and can actually do something rather than drag his hands on the ground behind him. Now the issue arose when Calgary:
A) Didn't need an enforcer, they didn't need their kids 'protected' on a nightly basis, because their kids were lighting the NHL up.
B) They had way too much depth, and there was no way they could have predicted that at the start of the year. I mean, people forget at it wasn't only Big Ern who was a casualty of the team this year, Gooch also was brought in, and promptly sent down.

So did they need a 4th line of:
Enforcer - Centre (Staj) - Enforcer/Grinder?

They just didn't need it; and during the regular season, a guy like Bollig was out of his element when they put him alongside some of the guys coach Hartley was throwing out there. It's why his productivity picked up during the playoffs, it was tough, slow hockey.

I'm a fan of the Boll; and I'd like to see him as out 4th line LW or as the 13th forward this year. You have to feel that he can probably lock down the 13th forward role; but this years camp is going to be a log jam.
 

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Imo Byron is better than Bollig, Colborne (barely), Ferland (for now), Granlund (for now), Jooris, Shore (for now), and any of our AHLers/prospects for now (Poirier, Klimchuk, etc). So I am a fan of this.
 

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I think this years camp is going to be one hell of an entertaining one with all the guys fighting for a job.
 

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Whether you like their play or not, I think Bollig and Engelland turned out to be a big part of our culture and our locker-room last season. Exactly the same way McGrattan was the season before. I don't know if we would have had the same success if we replaced those two guys with fresh-faced rookies who weren't ready yet.

Agreed, I also just don't see management moving on from them yet. We have other less useful pieces like Raymond who I think will be benched/waived/traded first.
 

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Kinda surprised that Bouma is worth 2.2M and Byron isnt worth 1M.
He's the better point producer, 4 on 4 specialist, and pk'er.
 

Volica

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Kinda surprised that Bouma is worth 2.2M and Byron isnt worth 1M.
He's the better point producer, 4 on 4 specialist, and pk'er.

Paul Byron: NHL Career: 138 games, 17 goals, 31 assists
Lance Bouma Last year: 78 Games, 16 goals, 18 assists.

Bouma got paid for his production last year.
 

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Paul Byron: NHL Career: 138 games, 17 goals, 31 assists
Lance Bouma Last year: 78 Games, 16 goals, 18 assists.

Bouma got paid for his production last year.

Why compare Byron's career with Bouma's best season?

Byron has been the more offensive player than Bouma. Better career PPG. It's just that Bouma hit a big stride and kept it going while Byron was plagued by injuries. It wasn't like Byron played horribly last season, lots of posters here undervalue him because of his bad conversion rate on breakaways.
 

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I'd take Byron over any of Ferland, Bollig, Raymond, Jooris, Shore.

His speed and two way game is something that nobody else brings. Yes, his shot percentage for breakaways was poor, but he's still creating chances that the guys above don't create.
 

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