My impression was they expected him to provide an occasional spark, as he did in last year's playoffs.
First half Report Card Grades
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My impression was they expected him to provide an occasional spark, as he did in last year's playoffs.
BobbyJet
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Desi had a slow start, but mostly from an offensive perspective. He was however doing the job expected from a 4th line winger, defensively. He is now playing with some confidence - a B rating may be a tad high but I based that on his much improved play in the last month or so (he could be an A- lately). Danault at center has helped.
DisgruntledHawkFan
Blackhawk Down
I mean, he's not the type of guy you want playing with Danault and Teuvo long term. He's working now but he won't keep up this level of offensive ability.
I was expecting a sound fourth line winger that can eat some pk minutes. He's been that - earning his C - and the past few weeks he's been playing like a really good third liner. I'm sticking with a B.
I was expecting a sound fourth line winger that can eat some pk minutes. He's been that - earning his C - and the past few weeks he's been playing like a really good third liner. I'm sticking with a B.
b1e9a8r5s
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The way he's been playing, I wouldn't be completely shocked if Q gave him a shot with Toews and Hossa. He's been really good the past few weeks. Of course that would only be a temporary thing and he's not a top 6 guy long term obviously.
To answer the question F+ is teetering towards F which is absolute failure..you cannot go Lower... than an F ...I had considered giving Hossa an F but I think he tried ...a least for about half the games in the first half...so I gave him an F+ which is still worse than the mark I gave to Toews who would also get an F if not for his faceoff work and I guess decent goal production though it is below his normal 32 for 82 game career average
..and I cannot blame Toews for his below normal by a lit assists production because his wingers are not producing to levels he is accustomed to..and YET ...the eyeball test shows his lack of customary try and hard on the puck effort ...and he has failed to make his wingers better which any $20.5 million 1C ought to ...And even the goals he does have ate peppered with a lit of cheats like OT goals against less men on the ice to check him and goals by deflection or rebound tap in where he really did not beat a goalie by a great shot
..we have seen very few shot goals from him this season to date but when he first came into the.league those type of goals were more a big part of his talent arsenal. SO TO ME .
he is hardly earning his big paycheck and so gets his bad mark on the report card.IF he would realize that Hossa is off the cliff and Shaw is not a top line LW for regular duty them Toews ought to be cranking up his shot attempt total by a lit to score more himself .
By his now efforts. He has to wake up and skate faster with more exertion to get free of checks to get off those shots.
I just do not see him doing that in the first half.
Thus by any measure he deserves his poor mark.
..and I cannot blame Toews for his below normal by a lit assists production because his wingers are not producing to levels he is accustomed to..and YET ...the eyeball test shows his lack of customary try and hard on the puck effort ...and he has failed to make his wingers better which any $20.5 million 1C ought to ...And even the goals he does have ate peppered with a lit of cheats like OT goals against less men on the ice to check him and goals by deflection or rebound tap in where he really did not beat a goalie by a great shot
..we have seen very few shot goals from him this season to date but when he first came into the.league those type of goals were more a big part of his talent arsenal. SO TO ME .
he is hardly earning his big paycheck and so gets his bad mark on the report card.IF he would realize that Hossa is off the cliff and Shaw is not a top line LW for regular duty them Toews ought to be cranking up his shot attempt total by a lit to score more himself .
By his now efforts. He has to wake up and skate faster with more exertion to get free of checks to get off those shots.
I just do not see him doing that in the first half.
Thus by any measure he deserves his poor mark.
No Fun Shogun
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Desjardins is a vet that's signed to an $800k cap hit.
I don't see how that's anything more than an expectation not to suck. Plus, let's face it, he could've gotten a bigger deal on the open market but chose to take less here. That alone earns him big points in my book.
I don't see how that's anything more than an expectation not to suck. Plus, let's face it, he could've gotten a bigger deal on the open market but chose to take less here. That alone earns him big points in my book.
tdfxman
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TOEWS C+ (bad grade for him, still checking)
HOSSA B- (all areas A except just can't finish)
SHAW B+ (nice scoring pace, just a bad start, hooked up now)
PANARIN A (1st year in NHL, language barrier, too many turnovers)
KANE A+ (lots of hardware right now if season ended)
ANISIMOV A- (perfect fit, little better draws, more direct plays)
TT B- (bad start, making 3rd line solid, don't mind him)
BICKELL F (he sucks at hockey)
DESJARDINS B+ (very slow start, A+ last 2-3 weeks)
GARBUTT D+ (could do more, 6-10 G's not too much to ask)
Rasmussen D+ (bad nhl player, needs to do more, be noticable)
Danault A- (comes in makes the 3rd line go, wow. needs 1st G)
KRUGER INC (wasn't near what he could be)
KEITH A (would be A+ if not for few games injured)
SEABROOK B+ (great passing, solid D, teams would kill for him)
HAMMER B (not as solid as previous years, some - games)
ROZSIVAL B- (playing his role well, that B- comes cheap contract)
Gustafsson B+ (playing great, as top 4 turning it over some, stud #5)
TVR B (getting exposed as a top 4, but man 2nd year in NHL, solid)
CC A- (great year again)
Darling C- (can he keep Q's and TEAMS trust after some SOFT ones)
HOSSA B- (all areas A except just can't finish)
SHAW B+ (nice scoring pace, just a bad start, hooked up now)
PANARIN A (1st year in NHL, language barrier, too many turnovers)
KANE A+ (lots of hardware right now if season ended)
ANISIMOV A- (perfect fit, little better draws, more direct plays)
TT B- (bad start, making 3rd line solid, don't mind him)
BICKELL F (he sucks at hockey)
DESJARDINS B+ (very slow start, A+ last 2-3 weeks)
GARBUTT D+ (could do more, 6-10 G's not too much to ask)
Rasmussen D+ (bad nhl player, needs to do more, be noticable)
Danault A- (comes in makes the 3rd line go, wow. needs 1st G)
KRUGER INC (wasn't near what he could be)
KEITH A (would be A+ if not for few games injured)
SEABROOK B+ (great passing, solid D, teams would kill for him)
HAMMER B (not as solid as previous years, some - games)
ROZSIVAL B- (playing his role well, that B- comes cheap contract)
Gustafsson B+ (playing great, as top 4 turning it over some, stud #5)
TVR B (getting exposed as a top 4, but man 2nd year in NHL, solid)
CC A- (great year again)
Darling C- (can he keep Q's and TEAMS trust after some SOFT ones)
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BK
"Goalie Apologist"
TOEWS - C
HOSSA - B-
SHAW - C-
PANARIN - B+
KANE - A
ANISIMOV - B+/A-
TT - B
BICKELL - F (Sad but he has completely lost his game)
DESJARDINS - B
GARBUTT - C
Rasmussen - C-
Danault - B+
KRUGER - D
KEITH - B+/A-
SEABROOK - B+
HAMMER - B
ROZSIVAL - C
Gustafsson - B+
TVR - B
CC - A-
Darling - C+
HOSSA - B-
SHAW - C-
PANARIN - B+
KANE - A
ANISIMOV - B+/A-
TT - B
BICKELL - F (Sad but he has completely lost his game)
DESJARDINS - B
GARBUTT - C
Rasmussen - C-
Danault - B+
KRUGER - D
KEITH - B+/A-
SEABROOK - B+
HAMMER - B
ROZSIVAL - C
Gustafsson - B+
TVR - B
CC - A-
Darling - C+
Hawkaholic
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Toews - C+ - Not as bad as some say he has been, but the offense has taken a dip, and his overall game has as well. Typically he would be always be an A.
Hossa - C- - Still looks like a beast, but just seems to have lost quite a bit offensively, and can't finish. Typically would be a B+, or A-..
Panarin - A - Been better than advertised, and has helped Kane tremendously. If not for the occasional bad turn over, he would be an A+.
Anisimov - B+ - Lack of faceoff ability hurts him the most, and some games he can disappear. But what he is signed for, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Kane - A+ - enough said
Shaw - B - Same old Shaw, provides versatility, played out of his comfort zone on the top line too many times, no fault of his.
Teravainen - C+ - Expected more from him this year, but lately he has been fairly solid. Hope to see him keep improving this year.
Desjardins - C+ - Horrible start to the year, where he barely looked like an NHLer. Has done a complete 180, and looks the best he has as a Hawk. Would have got a D if not for his recent success.
Garbutt - D - I expected him to be a 15G, 30pt player that could replace Shaw...don't see that happening, but he has been OK for the 4th line.
Bickell - F - Should be in Rockford or Indy, or shut down for a buy out in June.
Kruger - D - 1A in 33GP isn't the Kruger I know, Didn't look like himself before the injury.
Danault - B- - Pleasant surprise to see him come in to the NHL and play like he has so soon after just getting his season started after hip surgery. Looks like the #3C of the future, what he was labelled as for the last few years.
Rasmussen - C- - Had a good start to his NHL career, and has fizzled away. A couple more weeks and he will be in the D's I think.
Kero - C- - Started off as a B, and like most young inexperienced players, fizzled out after 10Gp. Don't see him as much more than a 4th liner, career AHLer.
Dano - C- - Most disappointing player, but I think we expected too much of him, too soon.
Mashinter - D - Not really an NHLer, but can fill in 5mins here or there without being too much of a liability.
Hartman - C - Thought he was OK in his stint in CHI. Give him another full year down in the AHL and he can be something.
Hinostroza - C - I liked Hinostroza, and he could be a solid 3rd liner that can score in the future, his time isn't now though.
Baun - D+ - Made the roster out of camp, 2 games later he was gone to the AHL. Never really liked him much, and he didn't do much to change my mind in his short stint.
D
Keith - A+ - Maybe one of his best seasons since he has returned from injury, which is saying something for a two time Norris Trophy winner.
Seabrook - A - When Keith went down, he took the defense under his wings and made it look respectable. His best offensive year so far, and his defense hasn't been bad either.
Hjalmarsson - B+ - Maybe I have come to expect too much from Hjalmarsson, but he doesn't quite look as good as last year. No complaints about him though.
van Reimsdyk - C+ - Wasn't sure how he would handle a bigger role, he did great at the beginning of the year, but has looked more like a bottom pairing guy lately. Still a solid Dman for us though.
Daley - C+ - Too bad it didn't work out, but didn't think he was that bad in his short stint.
Roszival - C+ - didn't expect much from him, he has been a surprise. Looks better than he did last year.
Rundblad - D- - Adios
Gustafsson - B- - Pleasantly surprised by him, looks like a Nick Leddy lite out there.
Scuderi - C- - Meh, could do without him, but he is a smart defensive player. Could use him in case of an injury in the playoffs, a slightly better Timonen.
Svedberg - C - Thought he was OK in his short stint, but knew it wouldn't last long. Can't see much of an NHL future for him unless he grows some balls in the corners.
Crawford - A - Would get an A+ if not for the handful of stinkers he has had. Really happy we kept him, as if there was any other option.
Darling - C- - Expected him to give Crawford a fight for the job, have been let down. Hope he picks it up.
Coaching staff - A - PP is going, PK is slightly above average, team is progressing as the season goes on. What isn't to like about the coaching staff? (very minor questionable lineup decisions aside)
Hossa - C- - Still looks like a beast, but just seems to have lost quite a bit offensively, and can't finish. Typically would be a B+, or A-..
Panarin - A - Been better than advertised, and has helped Kane tremendously. If not for the occasional bad turn over, he would be an A+.
Anisimov - B+ - Lack of faceoff ability hurts him the most, and some games he can disappear. But what he is signed for, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Kane - A+ - enough said
Shaw - B - Same old Shaw, provides versatility, played out of his comfort zone on the top line too many times, no fault of his.
Teravainen - C+ - Expected more from him this year, but lately he has been fairly solid. Hope to see him keep improving this year.
Desjardins - C+ - Horrible start to the year, where he barely looked like an NHLer. Has done a complete 180, and looks the best he has as a Hawk. Would have got a D if not for his recent success.
Garbutt - D - I expected him to be a 15G, 30pt player that could replace Shaw...don't see that happening, but he has been OK for the 4th line.
Bickell - F - Should be in Rockford or Indy, or shut down for a buy out in June.
Kruger - D - 1A in 33GP isn't the Kruger I know, Didn't look like himself before the injury.
Danault - B- - Pleasant surprise to see him come in to the NHL and play like he has so soon after just getting his season started after hip surgery. Looks like the #3C of the future, what he was labelled as for the last few years.
Rasmussen - C- - Had a good start to his NHL career, and has fizzled away. A couple more weeks and he will be in the D's I think.
Kero - C- - Started off as a B, and like most young inexperienced players, fizzled out after 10Gp. Don't see him as much more than a 4th liner, career AHLer.
Dano - C- - Most disappointing player, but I think we expected too much of him, too soon.
Mashinter - D - Not really an NHLer, but can fill in 5mins here or there without being too much of a liability.
Hartman - C - Thought he was OK in his stint in CHI. Give him another full year down in the AHL and he can be something.
Hinostroza - C - I liked Hinostroza, and he could be a solid 3rd liner that can score in the future, his time isn't now though.
Baun - D+ - Made the roster out of camp, 2 games later he was gone to the AHL. Never really liked him much, and he didn't do much to change my mind in his short stint.
D
Keith - A+ - Maybe one of his best seasons since he has returned from injury, which is saying something for a two time Norris Trophy winner.
Seabrook - A - When Keith went down, he took the defense under his wings and made it look respectable. His best offensive year so far, and his defense hasn't been bad either.
Hjalmarsson - B+ - Maybe I have come to expect too much from Hjalmarsson, but he doesn't quite look as good as last year. No complaints about him though.
van Reimsdyk - C+ - Wasn't sure how he would handle a bigger role, he did great at the beginning of the year, but has looked more like a bottom pairing guy lately. Still a solid Dman for us though.
Daley - C+ - Too bad it didn't work out, but didn't think he was that bad in his short stint.
Roszival - C+ - didn't expect much from him, he has been a surprise. Looks better than he did last year.
Rundblad - D- - Adios
Gustafsson - B- - Pleasantly surprised by him, looks like a Nick Leddy lite out there.
Scuderi - C- - Meh, could do without him, but he is a smart defensive player. Could use him in case of an injury in the playoffs, a slightly better Timonen.
Svedberg - C - Thought he was OK in his short stint, but knew it wouldn't last long. Can't see much of an NHL future for him unless he grows some balls in the corners.
Crawford - A - Would get an A+ if not for the handful of stinkers he has had. Really happy we kept him, as if there was any other option.
Darling - C- - Expected him to give Crawford a fight for the job, have been let down. Hope he picks it up.
Coaching staff - A - PP is going, PK is slightly above average, team is progressing as the season goes on. What isn't to like about the coaching staff? (very minor questionable lineup decisions aside)
LordKOTL
Abuse of Officials
My opinion based upon paygrade, personal benchmark, and their performance relative to it.
Toews - C - Everything in his game is comparable with his historical ability--except scoring goals...and doing so 5-5. Tried to be an enforcer early on which worked about as well as a guy with a mullet.
Hossa - C - Like Toews, everything is good *except* his O--and in his case he couldn't score if he had a c-note tied to his junk in a Tijuana brothel.
Panarin - A - Probably tops for the Calder. Awesome for a rookie.
Anisimov - B+ - Everything good except needs to be better at the dot. Near-perfect for the #2C.
Kane - A+ - Leading the league in scoring. Easily best player on the team this year.
Shaw - C - Playing the same game he usually does, but now with added boneheaded penalties.
Teravainen - C+ - Probably should have been better, but certainly didn't suck.
Desjardins - C+ - Like most others think, started slow then got better.
Garbutt - C - Expected an agitator out of him and got it. Overall not too bad, but still makes some boneheaded plays.
Bickell - F - Would be a buyout candidate if it wouldn't potentially affect re-signing Panarin. Has shown nothing. Probably should be waived to give a kid a chance.
Kruger - D+ - Didn't show much before surgery. Not sure how he'll be after.
Danault - B - Still young but good enough to stick. Prone to some rookie mistakes.
Rasmussen - C- - Fizzling.
Kero - C- - Started okay then fizzled to the A.
Dano - C- - Expected more from him. Some seasoning will do him good but expecting him to be solid next year. Playing his off-wing likely contributed to that.
Mashinter - D - Okay as a 13th fwd, but little else. Warm body. Occasional DUUUUUURRRRRPPPPP! moments.
Hartman - C - Promising, but needs more time.
Hinostroza - C - Needs more time to cook.
Baun - D- - Nothing to see here--needs more time.
D
Keith - B+ - Very good, but hasn't been Norris-calibre this year.
Seabrook - A- - O is up. D is good in spide of a few boneheaded plays he sould never make.
Hjalmarsson - B+ - A bit off but few complaints. Still solid.
van Reimsdyk - B- - Came back expecting a 5-6 but turned into a decent 4. Still young enough to make more mistakes than he has.
Daley - D- - Didn't expect much D from him, and he gave us none. Expected some O from him, and he gave us none. He'd be Runblad if it wasn't for his speed.
Roszival - B- - Since coming back and playing down to his geriatric abilities, he's become a solid 6--especially for his price. As long as he keeps that up and doesn't pinch he should be fine.
Rundblad - F - Complete waste of a roster slot. Whether he couldn't or wouldn't play any D or O is moot; he couldn't play our system and was an active roster player for too ling.
Gustafsson - B - For a rookie looks good--almost like a rookie Hjammer.
Scuderi - C - for a 6/7 not inherently bad or good. Unlike Daley, plays D.
Svedberg - C - Needs more seasoning and being able to use his frame.
Crawford - A - Probably the 2nd best guy on the team next to Kane this year. He's had about 5 games where he was bad, and probably 8-9 why he was the reason we won, among others why he was the only reason we weren't beaten like the French at Agincourt. Stats are historically in-line with his performance, even though his Shutouts are already career-high. Possible risk of being Kiprusoff'ed
Darling - C - Definite sophomore slump. Needs to be a bit better to take some pressure off of Crawford. Not really been *horrible* but very Meh.
Toews - C - Everything in his game is comparable with his historical ability--except scoring goals...and doing so 5-5. Tried to be an enforcer early on which worked about as well as a guy with a mullet.
Hossa - C - Like Toews, everything is good *except* his O--and in his case he couldn't score if he had a c-note tied to his junk in a Tijuana brothel.
Panarin - A - Probably tops for the Calder. Awesome for a rookie.
Anisimov - B+ - Everything good except needs to be better at the dot. Near-perfect for the #2C.
Kane - A+ - Leading the league in scoring. Easily best player on the team this year.
Shaw - C - Playing the same game he usually does, but now with added boneheaded penalties.
Teravainen - C+ - Probably should have been better, but certainly didn't suck.
Desjardins - C+ - Like most others think, started slow then got better.
Garbutt - C - Expected an agitator out of him and got it. Overall not too bad, but still makes some boneheaded plays.
Bickell - F - Would be a buyout candidate if it wouldn't potentially affect re-signing Panarin. Has shown nothing. Probably should be waived to give a kid a chance.
Kruger - D+ - Didn't show much before surgery. Not sure how he'll be after.
Danault - B - Still young but good enough to stick. Prone to some rookie mistakes.
Rasmussen - C- - Fizzling.
Kero - C- - Started okay then fizzled to the A.
Dano - C- - Expected more from him. Some seasoning will do him good but expecting him to be solid next year. Playing his off-wing likely contributed to that.
Mashinter - D - Okay as a 13th fwd, but little else. Warm body. Occasional DUUUUUURRRRRPPPPP! moments.
Hartman - C - Promising, but needs more time.
Hinostroza - C - Needs more time to cook.
Baun - D- - Nothing to see here--needs more time.
D
Keith - B+ - Very good, but hasn't been Norris-calibre this year.
Seabrook - A- - O is up. D is good in spide of a few boneheaded plays he sould never make.
Hjalmarsson - B+ - A bit off but few complaints. Still solid.
van Reimsdyk - B- - Came back expecting a 5-6 but turned into a decent 4. Still young enough to make more mistakes than he has.
Daley - D- - Didn't expect much D from him, and he gave us none. Expected some O from him, and he gave us none. He'd be Runblad if it wasn't for his speed.
Roszival - B- - Since coming back and playing down to his geriatric abilities, he's become a solid 6--especially for his price. As long as he keeps that up and doesn't pinch he should be fine.
Rundblad - F - Complete waste of a roster slot. Whether he couldn't or wouldn't play any D or O is moot; he couldn't play our system and was an active roster player for too ling.
Gustafsson - B - For a rookie looks good--almost like a rookie Hjammer.
Scuderi - C - for a 6/7 not inherently bad or good. Unlike Daley, plays D.
Svedberg - C - Needs more seasoning and being able to use his frame.
Crawford - A - Probably the 2nd best guy on the team next to Kane this year. He's had about 5 games where he was bad, and probably 8-9 why he was the reason we won, among others why he was the only reason we weren't beaten like the French at Agincourt. Stats are historically in-line with his performance, even though his Shutouts are already career-high. Possible risk of being Kiprusoff'ed
Darling - C - Definite sophomore slump. Needs to be a bit better to take some pressure off of Crawford. Not really been *horrible* but very Meh.
zac
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Solid grades. I only have a few minor adjustments that I would make. Other than that I agree with everything.
Hawkaholic
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You'd think we were on pace to draft in the top 10-15 in this upcoming draft with that report card. lol
Hawkaholic
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The Toews Era*
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I admit the hawks haven't played to the lie fullest potential in the first half but come on now. If pretty much sleepwalking nets the Hawks a top 4 team in the league, imagine what this team will be when they are fully awake.
The Hawks have earned the benefit of the doubt and maybe just maybe some fans expectations of this team is way too high for even the Hawks to reach. This thread feels like a joke thread, so kudos to the humorous responses in the thread.
The Hawks have earned the benefit of the doubt and maybe just maybe some fans expectations of this team is way too high for even the Hawks to reach. This thread feels like a joke thread, so kudos to the humorous responses in the thread.
hockeydoug
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Grades look about right for a team 11th in the conference.
C+/- for the fanbase
F+ to the hockey ops office
F- to McDonough for the Kaner press conference
B- for Kane
A++ for Toews because intangibles
C+/- for the fanbase
F+ to the hockey ops office
F- to McDonough for the Kaner press conference
B- for Kane
A++ for Toews because intangibles
tdfxman
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Ding, ding, ding.
50 is losing his mind. Kane is the best player in the league, Panarin is the best rookie in the league, yet neither get an A+?
DayNah
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Lol at giving Kane an A- and Panarin a B+ 50. How could either of these guys be better than they have been? Seriously I say this every time I respond to one of your posts. Why not root for someone else? You seem to hate. Toews steal your gf or somethung?
I think he does in the first place. I can go and make a new screen name, call it "SuperSTARfan 10" and go and pick out little things that "my" #1 in the NHL team is doing wrong and B#### and troll till I'm blue in the face. But that's the internet for you.
If he is indeed a Hawks fan, it is very apparent that he's jealous of Toews' money, cause that's all we here about in the rants.
The guy helped win us three Cups dood....
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