Filip Forsberg is +17 in playoffs

[groov2]

+/- is a garbage nothing stat.

Maybe for fans, but not if you play the game.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

i know your a forsberg fan but cmon. Tarasenko gets about 10 more goals a year and 20 more points. Focal point of all offense coming from st louis. If he doesnt score they lose. Forsberg is a hell of a player tho.

That's what I meant by he doesn't have the offensive talent, Tarasenko is surrounded by weaker talents. Tarasenko is surrounded by better defensive talents though, and I don't mean defenseman, I mean defensive talents overall. That's why Tarasenko's offensive impact is far more significant than Forsberg, but Forsberg's defensive impact is far more significant than Tarasenko even though they are relatively close in both aspects.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Maybe for fans, but not if you play the game.

No, it's still a garbage stat that measures nothing beyond team offense at even strength. It's a super limited measurement that means absolutely nothing on an individual level.

The only thing more limited is the understanding of people who freely cite it as some sort of proof.

 

[groov2]

No, it's still a garbage stat that measures nothing beyond team offense at even strength. It's a super limited measurement that means absolutely nothing on an individual level.

The only thing more limited is the understanding of people who freely cite it as some sort of proof.

As a an ex player, coach, and scout, I disagree. I understand why you and others do not like it, but a lot of people in the game still see value in this stat.

 

[madinsomniac]

many Pens fans still not happy Shero took Pouliot over him.

In my lifetime of following sports drafts that lists very high on my angry wtf moments... There are players that you just know are super special and you remember exactly where you were when you drafted them...
(For sid's lottery win, for instance... the back office of the meadows in Greensburg).

Then again there are guys you pass on and its every bit as memorable for the opposite reason. When the Pens passed on FF we were in desperate need of a star scoring winger. He was by far the best prospect available, and we were loaded in defensive star prospects that backlogged development for them...

Adding pouliot made zero sense back then when we thought he'd develop into letang jr... even less now that his growth was stunted, maybe for good.... I was sitting on the third barstool in a firehall when that happened... still angry about it today, even if it did make the caps look stupid in the long run.... Great player though

 

[madinsomniac]

As a an ex player, coach, and scout, I disagree. I understand why you and others do not like it, but a lot of people in the game still see value in this stat.

It has limited value. it was the best thing they had back in the day but there are a dozen better indicators right now of defensive/offensive play.

 

[Nizar]

Quite impressive. Nathan Horton had +20 in 2012/2013 (best after 04/05 lockout). Than Danile Cleary wirh +17 nad Chara, Kopitar, Dustin Brown and Kronwall with + 16. Those are players in top 50 after 04/05 lockout. All those players won the cup or played in cup final that year. So Predators might win the Stanley cup.

 

[SAK11]

Even crazier was that he was a minus player in the regular season and was a team worst -11 in last year's playoffs.

 

[21]

I want more reverse hits from Forsberg

 

[Prntscrn]

I want more reverse hits from Forsberg

AH he must have been taught that by his dad, Peter.

 

[MeowLeafs]

Wonder if Caps would win the cup if they didn't trade him.

 

[carter333167]

......in the combined category of slashes to the face, spears to the solar plexus, running the goaltender and dives that would embarrass a soccer player?

 

[21]

AH he must have been taught that by his dad, Peter.

Exactly

 

[alko]

Hm, the advanced statistics dont say, he is so special -

According to Hockey-reference:

Corsi For
88. Filip Forsberg LW NSH 2016-17 82 1257

Corsi For %
108. Filip Forsberg LW NSH 2016-17 82 1257 1065 54.1

 

[triggrman]

......in the combined category of slashes to the face, spears to the solar plexus, running the goaltender and dives that would embarrass a soccer player?

Also handshakes

 

[Prins Filip]

......in the combined category of slashes to the face, spears to the solar plexus, running the goaltender and dives that would embarrass a soccer player?

Filip actually gets more powerful when posts like this are made. He absorbs the whinergy and channels it to goalscoring power. All the teenaged Ducks fans almost made him overload.

5+2, +6 in six games, in your face. Have a fun summer!

 

[LeafsLegendAkiBerg]

Gretzky was a +28 in 1985.

Right now a +17 would be tied for 12th.

Highest by a current active player? Nathan Horton of all people was a +20 in 2013.

Nathan Horton hasn't played a game since the 2013-2014 season and will never play hockey again.

 

[groov2]

It has limited value. it was the best thing they had back in the day but there are a dozen better indicators right now of defensive/offensive play.

You are correct, but I believe my point still stands.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I posted his 5 v 5 stats today in another thread. Quite impressive this season.

 

[TitansVolsPreds615]

Monster in every facet. Tarasenko is more skilled offensively but I wouldn't trade 9 for anything. Does it all. #1PK unit, #1 PP unit, lights the lamp seemingly when the team needs it the most. Gutsy player. Can't believe we got him for Martin Erat.

 

[Barrie22]

Not surprised it was gretzky. Did they get a + for powerplay goals in 1985?

No. That was changed back when montreal was the most dominate team in the league some where around the 60's

 

[nomorekids]

Reminds me so much of a young Marian Hossa it's uncanny, but I think he could be even better when all is said and done.

 

[Damisoph]

yep he's good

 

[mjlee]

Reminds me so much of a young Marian Hossa it's uncanny, but I think he could be even better when all is said and done.

Hopefully unlike Hossa he won't have to wait for UFA to win the SC