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Farm League of KHL teams 2016/2017
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ozo
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Most of the teams are only "loosely" affiliated with KHL parants. They agree to take on couple of kids that will help them and that's that. Team like Saryarka, for example, will never be a real feeder to Omsk. Team management is simply too ambitious for that, and that kinda is the reason why this league is even brought up.
Alessandro Seren Rosso
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I thought the same thing, the only realistic win-win situation for Jokerit: Espoo gets their team back and Jokerit won't have to waste too much money (and Blues isn't even a guarenteed success/money saver)
Creating a brand new team farm team will just be a waste of money for Jokerit, they could just use create some kind of affiliation system with a Mestis team instead
hansomreiste
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In this case, can we expect almost all KHL teams (the ones without REAL feeders) to create new farm teams? Because, otherwise, these ambitious teams like Saryarka would have to switch to HPL as farm teams, therefore hitting VHL hard. If I am not mistaken, there are only a bunch of feeders directly controlled by KHL teams. Weird stuff. Looking forward to see what's gonna happen and how it's gonna work.
Honestly I liked VHL as it is. Russia or KHL in general needs a second-tier tournament. An isolated development league? That's open to talk, but a second-tier league with fans and partly independent teams is definitely needed... Limiting the ice hockey in Russia to 28 ice hockey teams, some of them out of the country, would kill it all in the long run. How will you produce KHL-level ice hockey players when there is nobody else to play competitive hockey?
ozo
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I read that people in charge of the league are hoping for at least 12 participants so seems that that wont be an issue as league currently have 28 teams and not everyone is willing/capable to afford another full roster travelling between Omsk and St.Petersburg.
My bet is that there will be no foreign team in the league and your usual budget teams like Novokuznetsk will stay out of this project.
Caser
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In this article author names the following candidates to participate in the new league:
Dynamo
SKA-Neva
Chelmet
Toros
Bars
Zvezda
Lokomotiv new farm team
Dinamo Riga new farm team
Neftekhimik new farm team (based in Naberezhnie Chelny)
Khimik
Yuzhniy Ural
Sarov
Sariarka
Neftyanik
Still author expects 12 teams to participate next season with 44 games each + playoffs. Limitations: only 5 U20 and 5 over-28 players are allowed.
Dynamo
SKA-Neva
Chelmet
Toros
Bars
Zvezda
Lokomotiv new farm team
Dinamo Riga new farm team
Neftekhimik new farm team (based in Naberezhnie Chelny)
Khimik
Yuzhniy Ural
Sarov
Sariarka
Neftyanik
Still author expects 12 teams to participate next season with 44 games each + playoffs. Limitations: only 5 U20 and 5 over-28 players are allowed.
Caser
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To play Kovalchuk somewhere.
Actually, I think it is for guys like Pronin - to provide experienced player a way to end their career in the system (and possibly to stay in the system later) and, on the other hand, to get some veteran presence to help young guys.
cska78
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This idea just like the khl is great on paper, but the execution based on the track record....
Obviously majority of these teams will not have any fan base.
Obviously majority of these teams will not have any fan base.
Caser
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Probably fan base will be an issue, unless they'll start placing farm teams in different cities than KHL teams.
cska78
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SoundAndFury
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Also they probably don't want to have NHL/AHL kind of situation where player who is being called up and down consistently during the season has to fly across the country countless times. Also if you were a player you probably simply wouldn't sign with a team if you knew you will be spending most of the season in a ridiculous place like Volzhsk or Angarsk.
Caser
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I was thinking about Magnitogorsk and Orsk as a good example - Orsk has a decent fanbase, still that's not too far away.
Just it is hard to hope for attendance while keeping the farm team in Chekhov, there are places much better in terms of fans and not far away from Moscow, like Tver or Elektrostal.
Just it is hard to hope for attendance while keeping the farm team in Chekhov, there are places much better in terms of fans and not far away from Moscow, like Tver or Elektrostal.
Salavat Yulaev
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Actually I don't understand what's the problem with fan base? For example Toros or Saryarka. They played in VHL and had a lot of fans. Will fans disappear once their teams start play in Premiere league? No.
Caser
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One solution with this fan base would be to change the traditional way of playing the matches.
They should have something like final four thing, with a couple of teams (not necessarily 4) playing during the weekend... this will depend on the total number of teams, geographical positioning, etc., but you could have 3 or more series of matches in one weekend. As at this point we don't know many details, I can't see why would not be possible to play in cities with no hockey club... From my point of view this would generate some interest and also would develop the game.
They should have something like final four thing, with a couple of teams (not necessarily 4) playing during the weekend... this will depend on the total number of teams, geographical positioning, etc., but you could have 3 or more series of matches in one weekend. As at this point we don't know many details, I can't see why would not be possible to play in cities with no hockey club... From my point of view this would generate some interest and also would develop the game.
Salavat Yulaev
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In the same time it is interesting case because the teams belong to different countries. There are many ethnic Kazakhs in Omsk who roots for Avangard. Now there will be much more fans of Omsk in Kazakhstan
hansomreiste
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Karaganda is not that far to Omsk considering how vast Siberia is, so not a major problem imo. And as you said, there are many Kazakhs in Omsk. This collaboration could actually work really well.
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cska78
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How about the rest of the teams? Hockey is for the fans, why make these teams without fan-base for oligarch teams to play there backups? What happens when Oligarchs don't want to pay for them anymore, everything falls apart like a house of cards.
Alessandro Seren Rosso
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Salavat Yulaev
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Caser
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Judging by the rumours in press, Zauralye (as a farm for Novokuznetsk) and a team based in Samara (as a farm for Lada) are in the conversation too.
I don't know, some 'extra talented' (U20 NT caliber) guys and some veteran presence/pre-retirement guys - seems totally fine to me.
I don't know, some 'extra talented' (U20 NT caliber) guys and some veteran presence/pre-retirement guys - seems totally fine to me.
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