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FA/Trade Thread 14-15 Season V.19 - Bernier extension coming soon?
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Hm. I think they sound pretty reasonable for the most part other than Bozak, think we'd get more than a 3rd and 4th.
Every single one is reasonable and if we could get 2 2nds, a 3rd, 4th, and 3 7ths for guys this organization has absolutely no use for then it would be prudent to pull the trigger on every single such deal. I have no faith the Maple Leafs will be prudent in their managing though.
If you told me Toronto got a 1st, 2 2nds, a 3rd, 4th, and 3 7ths, and still had Kessel and Phaneuf for the summer I would be ecstatic.
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Drew311
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I agree. I like the idea of giving Hunter and Bergman 13 draft picks to work with. I hope Bergman is more involved going forward, at least more than late round long shots (Nylander aside).
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he's every bit involved in making every pick how do you think they decide who there going to pick?
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Bergman doesn't scout North American prospects. Why would they ask his opinion about players outside of Europe? That's why the have CHL/NCAA/USHL/HS scouts.
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Bergman has a really good track record converting on late round picks.
I agree that he should have some input given the # of picks we'll have this year (at least two and probably three 1sts or 2 1sts and a 2nd that we acquire at the deadline)
I agree that he should have some input given the # of picks we'll have this year (at least two and probably three 1sts or 2 1sts and a 2nd that we acquire at the deadline)
Bergman actually does some scouting in North America.
Not a whole lot, but he does come over. I believe some of our NA scouts go over to Europe as well.
I think it was Bergman who said it himself in one of the "Behind the draft" stuff
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I think these are actually a good evaluation of what they could get from some teams.
I'm in the very small minority that want to keep Lupul. If he's the only one that has to get moved, based on the contract, fine whatever. But if they are able to clear out a lot of salary, then I'd be willing to keep him.
Jokinen is likely the only one to get moved for a late pick. Booth simply hasn't done enough and I don't think any team will trade for him.
I like the idea of keeping Holzer around. From what I've seen from Granberg, he's still very raw and prone to making rookie mistakes. I think Holzer is a nice bridge player that we can bide our time on instead of overpaying for some veteran (*cough*Robidas*cough*) that can do the same thing and without rushing of the prospects up to expose them to early.
I doubt the Preds make that move. I think they're pretty happy with their current forwards and don't know if adding Bozak's contract is a good idea for them. I think that Bozak will likely go to a team that is clawing for a playoff spot. Any of the teams from 5-10 in the West could have a legit shot at taking Bozak. That includes Vancouver, Winnipeg, LA, Calgary, San Jose, & Minnesota. LA is in cap hell and would be the only team that I would exclude from that list.
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So Winnik is 100% going to be traded. Bozak, Polak, Lupul, Holzer are the other guys who could be shipped out by May2nd.
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Wow, surprised someone actually read one of my posts in here
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Yeah I do recall that actually. Although he's probably more of a "tiebreaker" if the North American scouts can't decide on a couple of players.
If Bergman was given a larger leash during the Burke era I don't think we would have been so CHL/NCAA heavy these years. I also think the prospect pool would be a lot more talented without the Biggs, Devane, Blacker, Ross, Carrick, Broll type picks. I know Burke wanted to get the prospect pool tougher, but he likely passed on a lot of good skilled Euro players in the process.
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For some reason I see Lupul and think of Marian Gaborik to the Kings type trade value
I actually didn't mind going NCAA heavy last draft.
We have a lot of crap in our system that we need to skim our (Ross, Devane, Biggs, etc) and then players like Orr and McLaren taking up spots. NCAA players have 4 seasons before we need to sign them instead of 3.
So it gives us some extra time to really clean out the fridge a bit.
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Devane and Biggs aren't "crap" in the sense Ross, McLaren and Orr are. Devane may challenge for a spot on the 4th line, and Biggs still has another 2 or 3 years before we give up on him, and even if he doesn't get better, he's still able to fight for a 4th line spot in the future. Ross would have too if not for the PED's.
Now it's not great, but it's hardly crap if they become effective 4th liners who are able to play 8-12 tough minutes a night and play a shutdown role. Neither are black holes offensively given the shot either. I think they can become good 4th liners, which isn't great, especially for their draft positions, but it's not "crap".
But I agree, taking those NCAA players and keeping them there was a good move, especially since we probably won't have many spots open in the Marlies after we acquire some good prospects. Though we may purge some of our old prospects too (like Devane and Biggs), so it's really unknown.
Does new regime mean everyone, including prospects from the old regime, are on the hot seat?
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It sounds like Hunter's pretty much taken over from Morrison (or, at least, "collaborating" with Dave), but I'd love to have Bergman as the Director of Scouting. He's almost 70 though, so I'm not sure if he'd be willing to travel a whole lot more as the Leafs' chief scout
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walker reporting theyre shopping lupes, and its in the "plans" to move him before deadline.. liked the guy, but cant stay healthy, should be interesting to see whos actually interested and if someone does pick him up.
my stab in the dark - calgary due to burke ties and it gets them a top6 scorer whos caps off the books when they need to pay their up and comers. but theyre looking to move glencross, and that doesnt work with a rebuild.
my stab in the dark - calgary due to burke ties and it gets them a top6 scorer whos caps off the books when they need to pay their up and comers. but theyre looking to move glencross, and that doesnt work with a rebuild.
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