Speculation: Expansion Draft Discussion

[BatVader]

What about NTC's and NMC's?
Markov - has a modified NTC, 16 teams he won't accept trade to, and who's contract is up summer 2017.
Emelin - has a current full NTC that becomes a modified NTC, 10 teams he will accept trade to, on July 1st of this year.
Petry - has a current NMC, which becomes a modified NTC on July 1st 2018
Plekanec - has a modified NTC that ends July 1st this year

 

[Runner77]

I'd protect Eller over Plekanec. Eller is younger, and if needed, would be easier to trade. Agree with the rest

What are the odds Plekanec would get picked with his new 2-year contract? He's a good gamble to leave off the protection list. Bergevin can better spend that cap savings elsewhere.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I asked if you could provide names of similar players available every year for half that price tag.

shhhh you're messing up his strawman argument

 

[BatVader]

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/14987657/nhl-gms-preview-potential-expansion-draft-rules

Some details:

Teams will have the option of either protecting seven forwards, three defensemen and one goalie in total; or go with the option of protecting eight skaters (whether they're defensemen or forwards) and one goalie.

First- and second-year pros -- those are players playing pro hockey at any level -- will be exempt from the expansion draft; the bottom line is that if they are signed and playing pro hockey, they're exempt in their first two years. But if they're entering their third year of pro hockey, they're no longer exempt for the expansion draft. Teams would have to either protect them or expose them.

Unsigned draft picks, think college or European players mostly, are exempt from the expansion draft for two years from their draft year but no longer in Year 3, so teams will have to either rush to sign those guys or simply expose them in the expansion draft.

The total salaries for the players made available by each team in the expansion draft must be at least 25 percent of the previous season's payroll for that team. To which Daly explained: "The other variation that makes this expansion draft different is we would contemplate having some thresholds based on salary to make sure that the expansion club can be competitive based on the ranges we have in the CBA. Teams would have some obligation to expose a level of salary. And in terms of drafting players, teams would have to draft a certain threshold of salary."

 

[Agalloch]

What about NTC's and NMC's?
Markov - has a modified NTC, 16 teams he won't accept trade to, and who's contract is up summer 2017.
Emelin - has a current full NTC that becomes a modified NTC, 10 teams he will accept trade to, on July 1st of this year.
Petry - has a current NMC, which becomes a modified NTC on July 1st 2018
Plekanec - has a modified NTC that ends July 1st this year

In 2017

Markov's contract will be done.

Emelin could be a problem but I expect him to be traded this summer.

Petry and Subban will be protected anyway.

Plekanec NTC will be done.

 

[Beige Van]

Keep in mind that the absolute earliest expansion could occur would be in 2017. If they don't hash out the details before June, than 2018-2019 would be the earliest date. The roster will be quite different from what it is now.

 

[Runner77]

Keep in mind that the absolute earliest expansion could occur would be in 2017. If they don't hash out the details before June, than 2018-2019 would be the earliest date. The roster will be quite different from what it is now.

We'll probably have more 4th liners signed to long term deals by then.

 

[Beige Van]

Here is an interesting wrinkle..

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/14987657/nhl-gms-preview-potential-expansion-draft-rules

Unsigned draft picks, think college or European players mostly, are exempt from the expansion draft for two years from their draft year but no longer in Year 3, so teams will have to either rush to sign those guys or simply expose them in the expansion draft

 

[WeThreeKings]

Quebec isn't getting a team.

Las Vegas and Bob McKenzie thinks Seattle.

Quebec only gets a team if an Eastern team relocates.

 

[BatVader]

One thing to keep in mind - nothing stopping a team from going to the expansion team and say 'do NOT take my guy and you'll get a 2nd rounder'

....

 

[BatVader]

 

[MXD]

Here is an interesting wrinkle..

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/14987657/nhl-gms-preview-potential-expansion-draft-rules

Unsigned draft picks, think college or European players mostly, are exempt from the expansion draft for two years from their draft year but no longer in Year 3, so teams will have to either rush to sign those guys or simply expose them in the expansion draft.

... Wow. I'd be surprised not to see the NCAA go bananas over this.

 

[LaP]

Quebec isn't getting a team.

Las Vegas and Bob McKenzie thinks Seattle.

Quebec only gets a team if an Eastern team relocates.

Seattle needs a new arena. Doesn't need to be done by the time they move but it needs to be 100% sure a new one will be built or else i don't see them getting a team. Last time i checked it was not set in stone a new one was being built.

http://www.sonicsrising.com/2016/2/...s-key-arena-remodel-fantasies-nba-nhl-seattle

 

[MXD]

The total salaries for the players made available by each team in the expansion draft must be at least 25 percent of the previous season's payroll for that team. To which Daly explained: "The other variation that makes this expansion draft different is we would contemplate having some thresholds based on salary to make sure that the expansion club can be competitive based on the ranges we have in the CBA. Teams would have some obligation to expose a level of salary.

Interesting.
If Markov and Desharnais counts toward the list of unprotected players (provided both are still here next season and both aren't extended by the draft in Summer of 17), we're probably okay as far as this clause is concerned. This takes for granted that Emelin isn't protect, and those three guys salary add up to a decent chunk of caproom for next season.

 

[JayKing]

Unsigned draft picks, think college or European players mostly, are exempt from the expansion draft for two years from their draft year but no longer in Year 3, so teams will have to either rush to sign those guys or simply expose them in the expansion draft.

Per LeBrun. Meaning Lehkonen & Reway would also be exposed

 

[Agalloch]

Per LeBrun. Meaning Lehkonen & Reway would also be exposed

If we sign them, it's alright.

 

[lamp9post]

What about NTC's and NMC's?
Markov - has a modified NTC, 16 teams he won't accept trade to, and who's contract is up summer 2017.
Emelin - has a current full NTC that becomes a modified NTC, 10 teams he will accept trade to, on July 1st of this year.
Petry - has a current NMC, which becomes a modified NTC on July 1st 2018
Plekanec - has a modified NTC that ends July 1st this year

I don't believe they would be factored into the expansion draft. The NTC's and NMC's are between the player and team and the team is obliged to comply to them. However the expansion draft supersedes the ability of any team to uphold the conditions of a particular contract.

 

[MXD]

If we sign them, it's alright.

Well then they'd both be in their 3rd yr of pro hockey, so they'd be eligible nontheless.

 

[MXD]

I don't believe they would be factored into the expansion draft. The NTC's and NMC's are between the player and team and the team is obliged to comply to them. However the expansion draft supersedes the ability of any team to uphold the conditions of a particular contract.

I fully expect a grievance in regards to NMC's.

 

[Beige Van]

I fully expect a grievance in regards to NMC's.

It's my understanding that any players with NMC have to be protected and count toward the 7-3-1 allotment.

 

[BaseballCoach]

So DarrenDreger just said if NHL expands (almost certain it will) that teams can protect 7 forwards, 3 defenseman, and 1 goalie.

If the league expands by 1 team existing franchises can lose 1 player. If the league expands by 2 they can lose 2 players. 1st and 2nd year players are exempt. So are prospects.


So who in your team would you protect? Seems that given the ability to protect 7 forwards 3 defenseman and 1 goalie some teams are going to lose some good players.

If this year (I know it's not but you have to start somewhere), my list would be:

Price

Subban
Petry
Beaulieu

Pacioretty
Galchenyuk
Gallagher
Eller
DeLaRose
Andrighetto
Carr

Exempt:
Fucale
Johnston
Lernout
McCarron
Scherbak
MacMillan
Gregoire

plus Juulsen, McNiven, Audette - prospects still in CHL


Vulnerable/Available:
Condon
Scrivens (UFA)
Markov
Emelin
Pateryn
Barberio
Bartley (UFA)
Gilbert (UFA)
Dietz
Ellis
Hanley
Bennett
Plekanec
Desharnais
Mitchell
Flynn
Brown (UFA)
Byron
Danault
Lessio
Matteau
Hudon
Bournival
Friberg
Bozon
Crisp
Holloway (UFA)
Dumont (UFA)
Scott (UFA)

I think the two guys we lose are probably Barberio and Danault, Condon honourable mention.

 

[FireBurningBin]

It's my understanding that any players with NMC have to be protected and count toward the 7-3-1 allotment.

It depends if they are honoured or not. They don't pertain to expansion drafts in the language but do in the spirit of the rule.

 

[BaseballCoach]

If it's next season : Hudon and Carr will be eligible.

Again -- I wouldn't protect Eller so quickly.

Maybe, but Eller before Plekanec is obvious

 

[MXD]

It's my understanding that any players with NMC have to be protected and count toward the 7-3-1 allotment.

It's my understanding too.

But on other hand, you can't force a team to protect a player.
(Not that we won't be protecting Subban and Petry anyways mind you)

 

[MTL-rules]

I wonder if players with NMC would be exempt from this draft

Exactly my thoughts... how in hell can't we protect Markov ? He's better than both Petry and Beaulieu...

Anyhow, can't wait to see how it will pan out ...