GDT: Everybody Knows - Stars @ Flames 7 PM SNET-Flames

[Tofveve]

welp. Another L. Giving the other teams in our division a chance I guess.

 

[Calculon]

Special teams cost the Flames yet another game. Specially awful teams.

If this keeps up, you need to start considering protecting 4 dmen.

Protecting four defencemen means exposing both Ferland and Frolik. Makes more sense to just give the Vegas Highrollers a high third in exchange for not selecting Kulak or a high second so they take Bouma or maybe even Stajan.

 

[Volica]

I don't even know what I think of this team anymore. Do we need another rebuild ontop of this one?

 

[RedHot]

Special teams cost the Flames yet another game. Specially awful teams.



Protecting four defencemen means exposing both Ferland and Frolik. Makes more sense to just give the Vegas Highrollers a high third in exchange for not selecting Kulak or a high second so they take Bouma or maybe even Stajan.

I doubt Vegas is going to be looking for draft picks instead of good NHLErs in their inaugural season.

 

[Calculon]

I doubt Vegas is going to be looking for draft picks instead of good NHLErs in their inaugural season.

They need high end talent to compete in this league and they won't be getting that from the 30 NHL'ers they pick in the expansion draft. And barring quantity for quality trades, the only way to get that elite talent is through the draft. They also need to establish a prospect pool and whatnot so odds are, they'll be stockpiling picks for not only 2017, but also 2018, 2019 and probably 2020.

A very high second and Bouma is a fair trade for not taking Kulak.

 

[Anglesmith]

Wills said they did a lot of good things in this game. Is that true?

 

[RedHot]

They need high end talent to compete in this league and they won't be getting that from the 30 NHL'ers they pick in the expansion draft. And barring quantity for quality trades, the only way to get that elite talent is through the draft. They also need to establish a prospect pool and whatnot so odds are, they'll be stockpiling picks for not only 2017, but also 2018, 2019 and probably 2020.

A very high second and Bouma is a fair trade for not taking Kulak.

I agree with your thinking, but another way to acquire talent is taking a chance on a promising youngster.

Kulak is more valuable then a high second round pick. Hes young, appears to have offensive potential, playing a good amount of minutes, and has arguably been the most solid d man for the past 4 or 5 games (not a high bar unfortunately). Throw in the fact that Calgary (in your scenario) shows interest in keeping him, and willing to take a hit to do so.

Id way rather lose Ferland than Kulak, if Kulak keeps playing like this.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Wills said they did a lot of good things in this game. Is that true?

I only saw the third period, but not really anything that stood out as "good" things.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

I don't even know what I think of this team anymore. Do we need another rebuild ontop of this one?

I don't believe so. I believe this team needs to swallow their preconceived notions though, and start identifying what each player is in actuality rather than letting predefined roles anchor them down.

Giordano-Hamilton (offensive zone pair) or Kulak-Hamilton
Kulak-Brodie (Transition pair) or Giordano-Brodie
Jokipakka-Wideman or Culkin-Engelland (highly sheltered starts/limited minutes pairs. Should not matter who)


Gaudreau-Jankowski-Monahan
Tkachuk-Backlund-Brouwer
Ferland-Bennett-Frolik
Klimchuk-Stajan-Hathaway

PK1
Giordano-Brodie
Backlund-Hathaway

PK2
Kulak-Engelland
Jankowski-Frolik
Bennett-Brouwer
Klimchuk-Monahan

PP1
Hamilton
Gaudreau-Brouwer-Bennett
Tkachuk

PP2
Brodie
Backlund-Monahan-Giordano
Jankowski

Wills said they did a lot of good things in this game. Is that true?

There were about five bad plays/penalties, three of ended up in the back of the net, plus an empty netter, because this year's team is cursed and will let in every empty netter possible from any angle and distance whatsoever.

But yes, they did their share of good things, but none of it matters if you can't capitalize. While the main boards hyperbole about our skaters is ridiculous, there are some holes that are starting to be clear.

 

[Calculon]

I agree with your thinking, but another way to acquire talent is taking a chance on a promising youngster.

Kulak is more valuable then a high second round pick. Hes young, appears to have offensive potential, playing a good amount of minutes, and has arguably been the most solid d man for the past 4 or 5 games (not a high bar unfortunately). Throw in the fact that Calgary (in your scenario) shows interest in keeping him, and willing to take a hit to do so.

Id way rather lose Ferland than Kulak, if Kulak keeps playing like this.

Can't say I disagree that on paper, it's much more logical for the Vegas Casino Robbers to just take the best talent available. The only thing that sticks out though is that historically, the prices to protect players has been extremely low.

In return for agreeing not to select certain unprotected players, the Blue Jackets and Wild were granted concessions by other franchises. The trades not involving Blue Jacket or Wild draft picks were booked as being for "future considerations":

Columbus

San Jose traded Jan Caloun, a ninth-round pick (Martin Paroulek) in the 2000 NHL Entry Draft, and a conditional pick (Aaron Johnson) in the 2001 NHL Entry Draft to Columbus on June 11, 2000, after the Blue Jackets agreed not to select Evgeni Nabokov.
Buffalo traded Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre, Matt Davidson, and two fifth-round draft picks, one each in the 2000 (Tyler Kolarik) and 2001 (Andreas Jämtin) Entry Drafts, to Columbus on June 23, 2000, after the Blue Jackets agreed not to select Dominik Hasek or Martin Biron.

Minnesota

San Jose traded Andy Sutton, a seventh-round pick (Peter Bartoš) in the 2000 Entry Draft and a third-round pick (later traded to Columbus - (Aaron Johnson)) in the 2001 Entry Draft to Minnesota on June 11, 2000, for an eighth-round pick in the 2000 Entry Draft after the Wild agreed not to select Evgeni Nabokov.
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And given how the prospect pool is structured, the Flames can more easily afford to lose a player like Kulak (Kylington, Andersson, Hickey, Fox, Culkin) than someone like Ferland (Smith and Carroll).

 

[Bounces R Way]

This is a game this team needs to find a way to win. Absolutely no urgency, from our Special teams especially.

100% Kulak convert, that's the best game I've seen him have. Chiasson however needs to be on the 4th line, where he belongs.

 

[herashak]

If we say the rebuild started in 2015 then oilers fans can't make fun of us

If things keep going this way I look forward to seeing some energetic young players from Stockton get a chance during the second half of the season.

Also a right winger who knows how to put the puck in the net from the draft

 

[Calgarybrutalist]

Special teams are a problem

I think you mean "specialty teams"

 

[BigRangy]

Season's over. Fire everyone, get a head start on 2017-18. Pray that Vegas takes Brouwer off our hands.

 

[DFF]

Special teams are a problem

Yes, but didnt they switch from Gelinas to Cameron already?
Maybe they dont have the right players for the PP.

It's bad because the top players, especially Monahan and Brodie are playing like garbage right now.

Not sure what is wrong with Bennett neither and Johnny is not in top form.

 

[DFF]

I don't even know what I think of this team anymore. Do we need another rebuild ontop of this one?

They need to fire someone and make some trades...

 

[lightstorm]

At this point you expose Giordano and pray to the good lord above that LV is dumb enough to take him.

Brouwer and Bennett looked great against AHL competition (pre-season) but now contribute nothing.

Still trying to figure out what people see in Hamilton.

Shinkaruk, Vey and Chiasson were cast off from terrible teams, to expect anything from them is pure madness.

Not coincidentally, Cameron and Gulutzan were hired from the same terrible teams, so why are we suprised that season turned out to be one big tire fire.

 

[DFF]

Not coincidentally, Cameron and Gulutzan were hired from the same terrible teams, so why are we suprised that season turned out to be one big tire fire.

Calgary has such a winning history, we can turn losers into winners

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Season's over. Fire everyone, get a head start on 2017-18. Pray that Vegas takes Brouwer off our hands.

That deal is so bad. To think we could have had 2 Hudlers for the same price and two years less...

Hamilton has been so bad I think it's time to consider trading him.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

That deal is so bad. To think we could have had 2 Hudlers for the same price and two years less...

Hamilton has been so bad I think it's time to consider trading him.

Why do people hate Brouwer all of a sudden? Also Hamilton was one of better Dman until as of late. He's still going to be productive and reliable in the future.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Why do people hate Brouwer all of a sudden? Also Hamilton was one of better Dman until as of late. He's still going to be productive and reliable in the future.

Brouwer is a 2-3 million dollar player IMO.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Brouwer is a 2-3 million dollar player IMO.

Yeah but again he's only overpaid, it's not like he's terrible. I haven't been able to watch the last few games (In Asia bruh...) But in all seriousness, Brouwer and Hamilton have only looked bad in the California games (Minus San Jose).

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

My only criticism of Gully is that I am unsure if he's adjusting his coaching methods to fit his players strengths. It's great that the bottom 6 players are playing well, but the fact that pretty much all of our top players are in a slump is concerning to me. It was nice to see Gaudreau breakout last night, hopefully it gets him going because he's the engine of this team. And if he's going, usually Monahan is and the rest of the Flames. And if the topline is sckring, that will open up more for our 2nd and 3rd lines.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

My only criticism of Gully is that I am unsure if he's adjusting his coaching methods to fit his players strengths. It's great that the bottom 6 players are playing well, but the fact that pretty much all of our top players are in a slump is concerning to me. It was nice to see Gaudreau breakout last night, hopefully it gets him going because he's the engine of this team. And if he's going, usually Monahan is and the rest of the Flames. And if the topline is sckring, that will open up more for our 2nd and 3rd lines.

This is what I was saying earlier in the season. It's like the opposite of Hartley who had no idea what to do with anyone other than our best players.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

This is what I was saying earlier in the season. It's like the opposite of Hartley who had no idea what to do with anyone other than our best players.

Yeah like Bennett has now seemed invisible. At least Brodie played well last night, that's encouraging.