Proposal: Evander Kane and Tyson Barrie to Vancouver

[HarvP19]

I know evander kane is acting like a moron off the ice, but he is worth way more than luca freaking sbisa and 3rd rounder.

as for tyson barrie you have to start with Hutton and add.

 

[Avs44]

That being an RFA somehow is negative to Barrie's value is amazing.

Shh, let hopeful fans and mindless morons like Bob Stauffer have their excuses to talk Barrie down.

 

[number72]

Hearing a lot of rumours about both of these players headed to Van.

To Buffalo
Luca Sbisa, 2018 5th

To Van
E.Kane

Why the teams do it

Buffalo wants to get rid of a problem player, and the dman market is very high right now. Van clears out their defensive logjam and takes on a high risk player in E.Kane hoping a return home straightens him out a bit.



To Col
Jannik Hansen, Derek Dorsett, CBJ 2nd (2017/18), Guillaume Brisebois, Van 2017 6th

To Van
RFA rights to T.Barrie

Why the teams do it

Colorado avoids potentially expensive arbitration with Tyson Barrie, and adds a versatile middle six winger, a 4th line RW in Dorsett, a high 2nd from CBJ, a top 4 RD prospect in Brisebois, and a 6th rounder.

Vancouver adds a PMD to their lineup and helps accelerate their "retool"

I agree with the justification of how it helps both teams though both BUF and COL need to add to make this trade happen

 

[Jared Dunn]

E.Kane has value at an all time low, and Barrie is not signed, it's to RFA rights.

Hansen is a 1st/2nd in terms of value
CBJ 2
Dorsett is a 3/4
Brisebois 3
Van 6

That's a late first early second, another 2nd, 3rd, 3rd and 6th in terms of value.

Just as awful as how you originally spelled it out!!!

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

The offer for Barrie is the NHL equivalent of a Craigslist free stuff posting.

 

[Kolzilla]

Hearing a lot of rumours about both of these players headed to Van.

To Buffalo
Luca Sbisa, 2018 5th

To Van
E.Kane

Why the teams do it

Buffalo wants to get rid of a problem player, and the dman market is very high right now. Van clears out their defensive logjam and takes on a high risk player in E.Kane hoping a return home straightens him out a bit.



To Col
Jannik Hansen, Derek Dorsett, CBJ 2nd (2017/18), Guillaume Brisebois, Van 2017 6th

To Van
RFA rights to T.Barrie

Why the teams do it

Colorado avoids potentially expensive arbitration with Tyson Barrie, and adds a versatile middle six winger, a 4th line RW in Dorsett, a high 2nd from CBJ, a top 4 RD prospect in Brisebois, and a 6th rounder.

Vancouver adds a PMD to their lineup and helps accelerate their "retool"

How can you make the bolded statement about Sbisa and then offer spare parts for a dman like Barrie?

 

[Jared Dunn]

Yeah, this is awful.

Considering the reports are Draisaitl, Yakupov, and a strong third piece is the ask for Barrie right now from Edmonton, you are not getting Barrie without Tanev in the offer.

Yeah... Sorry but the price for Barrie does not begin with Tanev or Draisaitl... more likely Nurse or Hutton

 

[Flair Hay]

If there was ever a time to look at trading for Evander, it would be now while his rep is so low. He's a good player on anybody's 3rd line.

Maybe Vancouver would be a good spot to try and figure out his off ice professionalism, maybe not. I don't know.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Barrie for Juolevi + 2nd '17

 

[McMetal]

Barrir's arbitration contract will be for way, way less than people think. Arbitration is going to be a win for the Avs, they have no reason not to go through with it and just keep him around until our young draftees are ready to step into the top 4.

 

[Blitzago*]

Worst proposal I've read in a long time, oilers would do way better than that for barrie

 

[Breakers]

Sbisa has no Value

 

[shadow1]

Colorado is giving Barrie away for free in this proposal.

 

[Rebuilt]

That being an RFA somehow is negative to Barrie's value is amazing.

Just re sign Barrie.

 

[The Optimist]

If the Avs moved Barrie to Vancouver, it would take either Horvat + 1st or Virtanen + 1st.

For the record Horvat and Virtanen are not even close to comparable value wise. I'd be willing to move Virtanen and a first round pick top 5 protected for Barrie but there's no way I would move Horvat alone for Barrie.

 

[The Kingslayer]

oh dear god

 

[Beerz]

Buffalo would be better off suspending Kane for the year then taking that return.

 

[xxxx]

Proposals this bad happen every day on HF....and then it's crazy because these same people turn around and call GMs idiots for pages on end


anyone else see why it's better to just leave it to the professionals ?

so true

 

[Brock Radunske]

Hearing a lot of rumours about both of these players headed to Van.

To Buffalo
Luca Sbisa, 2018 5th

To Van
E.Kane

Why the teams do it

Buffalo wants to get rid of a problem player, and the dman market is very high right now. Van clears out their defensive logjam and takes on a high risk player in E.Kane hoping a return home straightens him out a bit.



To Col
Jannik Hansen, Derek Dorsett, CBJ 2nd (2017/18), Guillaume Brisebois, Van 2017 6th

To Van
RFA rights to T.Barrie

Why the teams do it

Colorado avoids potentially expensive arbitration with Tyson Barrie, and adds a versatile middle six winger, a 4th line RW in Dorsett, a high 2nd from CBJ, a top 4 RD prospect in Brisebois, and a 6th rounder.

Vancouver adds a PMD to their lineup and helps accelerate their "retool"

Both of those are awful.

 

[Kolzilla]

I don't think Barrie will ever return you a top 5 draft pick. Like ever. He's a #2D no one would ever pay a top 5 pick for that. If someone offered a top 5 pick for Barrie UNSIGNED he would no longer be on the Avs

Well, holding you to your logic about Hansen's worth, Sbisa's worth, etc., Taylor Hall was a 1OA and just returned what many have deemed a #2D in Adam Larsson...

And why do you keep bringing up an unsigned RFA like it has little value? Unless he's bolting for the KHL that means next to nothing.

So when Horvat, Hutton, and Gudbranson are up for RFA next year how about they get moved for like a bottom sixer and a fifth, because, y'know, they aren't signed.

 

[tylerjohnson2626]

Brisebois is a dime a dozen prospect. Every team in the league has 3-4 guys exactly like him if not more.


He'd be the #6 D prospect on the Avs. He has almost no value to us.



#25 + #35 + 6th would maybe get a team to #18.



AND, Barrie isn't just worth a Top 15 pick. He's worth a Top 10 Pick AND another very good piece along with that.



If the Avs moved Barrie to Vancouver, it would take either Horvat + 1st or Virtanen + 1st.


We dont move him for any less then that. Plain and simple.

haha ok. You want Boeser too?

 

[WeDislikeEich]

The Barrie proposal is pretty terrible.
I do think Evander Kane is going to return less than what HF Boards thinks. This proposal probably isn't too far off what he returns. He'll probably get around a 2nd or 3rd round pick, but the longer Buffalo waits, the more his value is going to decline (unless he has a great season). Players that have recently struggled and have off-ice character issues never garner the return fans think they will. I can't think of too many recent examples, but Kassian is a decent comparable.

Kane returning LESS than what HF Boards think? Have you read the total crap that has been being offered in every one of the 75 Evander Kane trade threads? (funny how there's a new Kane trade thread every time I sign on here, yet nobody wants to trade for him). I don't think it's possible he returns less... He adds a lot on the ice for Buffalo. They gladly just keep him rather than trade him for nothing.

Here's another scenario for you - Kane is totally cleared of any wrong doing, just like last time and he goes on to have an even better season than last year now that he's not returning from injury/surgery and has already played a year with his teammates + knows what is expected of him in Bylsma's system. Kane looked better and better as the year went on. If he picks up where he left off, he could have a darn good season.

Tim Murray is NOT dumping Kane for spare parts, simple as that. He already said he's in no hurry to rush to judgement on this. He said he will wait and see if Kane's even charged. Murray just paid a TON to get Kane barely a year ago. He's been good in the locker room, is very well liked by his teammates, has been active in the Buffalo community doing charity work and gives 110% every time he's out on the ice. Oh, and even though there was a police investigation last time, he was never charged or even accused of anything, by the police or by the girl in question. It was just the hospital following their procedures. So it was all a big fuss over nothing. This time could be the same thing. If it's not, then Murray will deal with it, and even then he's not going to trade him for nothing.

I almost want Kane to get traded at this point, so HF can freak out over the return he brings. Guarantee its more than the crap being offered here (otherwise he won't be trade at all).

 

[WeDislikeEich]

If there was ever a time to look at trading for Evander, it would be now while his rep is so low. He's a good player on anybody's 3rd line.

Maybe Vancouver would be a good spot to try and figure out his off ice professionalism, maybe not. I don't know.

Buffalo simply won't trade him if his value is truly as low as what this board seems to think. Did you see what Murray just gave up to get him last year? Do you honestly think he's going to trade him away for peanuts? Seems like a great way to lose your job to me.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Kane returning LESS than what HF Boards think? Have you read the total crap that has been being offered in every one of the 75 Evander Kane trade threads? (funny how there's a new Kane trade thread every time I sign on here, yet nobody wants to trade for him). I don't think it's possible he returns less... He adds a lot on the ice for Buffalo. They gladly just keep him rather than trade him for nothing.

Here's another scenario for you - Kane is totally cleared of any wrong doing, just like last time and he goes on to have an even better season than last year now that he's not returning from injury/surgery and has already played a year with his teammates + knows what is expected of him in Bylsma's system. Kane looked better and better as the year went on. If he picks up where he left off, he could have a darn good season.

Tim Murray is NOT dumping Kane for spare parts, simple as that. He already said he's in no hurry to rush to judgement on this. He said he will wait and see if Kane's even charged. Murray just paid a TON to get Kane barely a year ago. He's been good in the locker room, is very well liked by his teammates, has been active in the Buffalo community doing charity work and gives 110% every time he's out on the ice. Oh, and even though there was a police investigation last time, he was never charged or even accused of anything, by the police or by the girl in question. It was just the hospital following their procedures. So it was all a big fuss over nothing. This time could be the same thing. If it's not, then Murray will deal with it, and even then he's not going to trade him for nothing.

I almost want Kane to get traded at this point, so HF can freak out over the return he brings. Guarantee its more than the crap being offered here (otherwise he won't be trade at all).

That's a pretty optimistic (and unrealistic) scenario. But to each their own. I grew up with friends that knew Kane, he's always had a huge ego and arrogance which has been a problem. His house that he grew up in East Van got egged once, that doesn't happen unless you really piss people off.

You're right, Murray doesn't have to dump Kane just to get rid of him. But it's also not an ideal situation to keep Kane on the team when the relationship between him and the organization continues to deteriorate and becomes toxic. That's what began happening in Winnipeg which forced the original trade. If this was the first time something bad happened with Kane, it wouldn't be an issue. But everyone is now seeing a trend with his personality and that must have a pretty big impact on his value.

And my comment about HF Boards' value on Kane is excluding the posters that are extreme and value him so low. I take those posts with a grain of salt.

 

[Avsblitzkrieg]

I don't think Barrie will ever return you a top 5 draft pick. Like ever. He's a #2D no one would ever pay a top 5 pick for that. If someone offered a top 5 pick for Barrie UNSIGNED he would no longer be on the Avs

Hall just returned Larson. Look at it like this homie. If all av fans say no, it's a bad proposal no matter what YOU think. It takes two to mLe a trade we S fans like to come to some sort of consensus. It's like you stick your fingers in your ears. Pay what we would like or move on... pretty simple concept