Euro Supremacy: Ovechkin vs Jagr

[Luigi Lemieux]

This is an understatement. While an amazing regular season performer Jagr was often off his game in the postseason.

This hurts his legacy somewhat. Those two cups were won on the back of Lemieux. After Lemieux he did nothing in the playoffs. In 2001 he was memorably awful.

Pens were thoroughly mediocre after Lemieux retired. Jagr's lack of playoff success is not his fault - in fact he's the only reason they even made the playoffs those seasons.

 

[Fantomas]

Pens were thoroughly mediocre after Lemieux retired. Jagr's lack of playoff success is not his fault - in fact he's the only reason they even made the playoffs those seasons.

His uninspired play in some of those playoffs, which I saw with my own eyes, was definitely his fault.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

His uninspired play in some of those playoffs, which I saw with my own eyes, was definitely his fault.

As the 8 seed they upset the #1 seed Devils in '99. Jagr had one of the most dominant playoff performances i've seen in a series. Which series are you referring to that was uninspired?

 

[Ben White]

Best European forwards (peak):

Forsberg
Jagr
Fedorov
Ovechkin
Bure/Malkin

 

[CokenoPepsi]

With tonights win Ovechkin has surpassed Jagr

 

[Midnight Judges]

Ovechkin just has too much hardware for Jagr to overcome. Ovechkin leveled up last night.

 

[bert]

With tonights win Ovechkin has surpassed Jagr

Keep ignoring the games you never watched and the stats you wont recognize and keep posting the same thing.

 

[DDRhockey]

His uninspired play in some of those playoffs, which I saw with my own eyes, was definitely his fault.

Jagr won his cups with lemiuex. After that he was pretty average.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Again with this utter BS. One of the main reasons why basically no-one here gives your hot takes any credibility. You are almost completely incapable of being objective.

Care to tell my how these following (there are more but I'll just do these quick one's) seasons were better than OV's 13/14 season:

Richer 87-88 & 89-90
Maruk 80-81
Leach 79-80
Larouche 79-80
Gare 75-76
Redmond 73-74
Vaive 81-82, 82-83 & 83-84
Nieuwendyk 87-88 & 88-89
Secord 82-83
Grant 74-75
Kehoe 80-81
Stoughton 81-82
Bullard 83-84

I got tired so I won't list more. Even though there would be more. You should try to work on your insecurity about Crosby so you wouldn't feel the need to make up ridiculous stuff all the time.

We both know Daver won’t explain. He’ll find another goal post to move instead. It’s easier.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Jagr single-handedly carried the Rangers at age 33, don't think Ovechkin could carry a team like that no matter what age he was.

 

[Fantomas]

Jagr single-handedly carried the Rangers at age 33, don't think Ovechkin could carry a team like that no matter what age he was.

Jagr was incredible at 33. He was also entirely disappointing at 30 and 31.

 

[DDRhockey]

Jagr single-handedly carried the Rangers at age 33, don't think Ovechkin could carry a team like that no matter what age he was.

wasnt that with nylander and straka? not exactly bad players.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

You could argue Jagr might have a slight edge in talent but he just wasted it too much.

In the end sure maybe i could accept them being tied right now but Ovechkin has at least 5 more years left and after that it will clearly be Ovechkin.

Don't let nostalgia blind you.

 

[Jacob]

I am not saying he was bad.. But he doesn't live up to his talent level....not even a PPG

Neither is Ovechkin.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Neither is Ovechkin.

Ovechkin as the guy was able to bring his team a Stanley Cup.

Jagr couldn't get past the second round...there are not many arguments for Jagr

 

[Jacob]

Ovechkin as the guy was able to bring his team a Stanley Cup.

Jagr couldn't get past the second round...there are not many arguments for Jagr

Ovechkin never won anything without Kuznetsov.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

wasnt that with nylander and straka? not exactly bad players.

Not exactly great players, either. And interesting they both had their strongest statistical seasons when they played with Jagr.

 

[DDRhockey]

Ovechkin never won anything without Kuznetsov.

Same could be said for crosby and malkin

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Ovechkin never won anything without Kuznetsov.

You need good players to win... Crosby never won without Malkin.

But none of those players compare to Mario freaking Lemieux.

Jagr as someone to lead your franchise was proven as someone you could not count on.

Crosby and now Ovechkin have..it is why they are better.

 

[bring back the jets]

I went Ovi but both are respectable choices. A worthy poll.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Best European forwards (peak):

Forsberg
Jagr
Fedorov
Ovechkin
Bure/Malkin

Switch Forsberg with Ovechkin and you're 100% right.

 

[moropanov]

Oh come on Oveckin isnt even human just ugly half orc half human mutant. He (it) is clearly inferior being compared to Jagr.

 

[daver]

You need good players to win... Crosby never won without Malkin.

But none of those players compare to Mario freaking Lemieux.

Jagr as someone to lead your franchise was proven as someone you could not count on.

Crosby and now Ovechkin have..it is why they are better.

To be fair, it took 13 years to get "it". Both Jagr and OV had to wear the "can't win" hat, fair or not.

Jagr's regular season resume => OV's

OV's playoff resume =>Jagr

It is very close between them. I expect OV to pass Jagr clearly with another solid RS or PO performance.

 

[Spirit of 67]

Opted for Ovie.

Probably recency bias as much as anything. Both are/were fabulous players.

 

[Plural]

To be fair, it took 13 years to get "it". Both Jagr and OV had to wear the "can't win" hat, fair or not.

Jagr's regular season resume => OV's

OV's playoff resume =>Jagr

It is very close between them. I expect OV to pass Jagr clearly with another solid RS or PO performance.

So you're really not going to answer me?