Erik Gustafsson coming back? (May 21 update in first post)

CerpinTaxt

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Personally, Id sign him as a 5/6/7 Dman. Say he doesnt make the roster out of camp, well then we have a top pairing Dman for the AHL team. If he was willing to go down to the AHL again imagine,

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Hell, I guess you could interchange Manning and Gus. Having D depth is good.
 

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Since it wasn't just with Berube but also Lavi before him, do you guys think theres any chance the organization put pressure on the coach to play the guys they were paying a **** ton of money for, over Gus? I would hope not looking at the ELC's we have that are getting ready to come through the system and the log jam on D
 

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Since it wasn't just with Berube but also Lavi before him, do you guys think theres any chance the organization put pressure on the coach to play the guys they were paying a **** ton of money for, over Gus? I would hope not looking at the ELC's we have that are getting ready to come through the system and the log jam on D

I do think the Flyers try to justify big contracts by not benching them or not keeping them in the press box for long.

I'm not worried about it in regards to the prospects though. Gus didn't have anything invested in him nor did he ever have expectations put upon on him by the organization or outside viewers whoever they may be like Morin, Sanheim, Gostisbehere, etc.

Schenn, Grossmann, & Gudas are all free agents next summer (Gudas is an RFA though) while Streit & Schultz are free agents the following summer. MacDonald's the only one we're tied down to for a while.

The fact that Hextall signed Schultz to the deal he did & traded Coburn before he could really talk any extensions leads me to believe he knows how important it is to leave flexibility open on the backend.

In fact I think if he lands the Russian MDZ might not be here next year unless if he's not coming with a lot of commitment.
 

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Gus is a decent, cheap bottom-pairing defenseman. We don't have anyone who currently fits both of those descriptions.
 

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I don't know why people bother to argue with DFF anymore. Everything he says revolves around appeals to authority and just going in circles.
 

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I don't know why people bother to argue with DFF anymore. Everything he says revolves around appeals to authority and just going in circles.
To an extent, there's nothing wrong with backing your opinion with that of the authority (which is what DrinkFightFlyers is doing, since he's not really just going with what the authority did). Often you guys namely look like first-year college students that think they can solve grad-level problems, and laugh at a fellow classmate for thinking otherwise and saying that the teacher who actually does research in that particular field backs him up. And then you justify you're right by saying that almost everyone in the class says so, as well.

I mean, honestly, I would've also liked to see Gus play more when he was here, because I thought he deserved to be on the bottom pairing. I don't want him back now, though, since I'd rather have, say, Marti or Hagg playing, and having Gus would just be extra competition they'd have to deal with to get into the lineup.
 

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To an extent, there's nothing wrong with backing your opinion with that of the authority (which is what DrinkFightFlyers is doing, since he's not really just going with what the authority did). Often you guys namely look like first-year college students that think they can solve grad-level problems, and laugh at a fellow classmate for thinking otherwise and saying that the teacher who actually does research in that particular field backs him up. And then you justify you're right by saying that almost everyone in the class says so, as well.

I mean, honestly, I would've also liked to see Gus play more when he was here, because I thought he deserved to be on the bottom pairing. I don't want him back now, though, since I'd rather have, say, Marti or Hagg playing, and having Gus would just be extra competition they'd have to deal with to get into the lineup.

I think the difference is that the knowledge gap between those know it all undergrads and their professors is much larger than the potential knowledge gap between an NHL front office and the more knowledgeable/reasonable fans.
 

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I think the difference is that the knowledge gap between those know it all undergrads and their professors is much larger than the potential knowledge gap between an NHL front office and the more knowledgeable/reasonable fans.
Yeah, possibly, but those undergrads would say that in regards to that particular problem, as well, wouldn't they? :)
 

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To an extent, there's nothing wrong with backing your opinion with that of the authority (which is what DrinkFightFlyers is doing, since he's not really just going with what the authority did). Often you guys namely look like first-year college students that think they can solve grad-level problems, and laugh at a fellow classmate for thinking otherwise and saying that the teacher who actually does research in that particular field backs him up. And then you justify you're right by saying that almost everyone in the class says so, as well.

Actually, there is. Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy very literally, you'll learn that in any Introduction to Logic class. He's not actually backing up his opinion with reasoning he can claim to be his own and appealing to authority isn't an argument that ever progresses anywhere. He's not holding himself responsible for his own thoughts or for any arguments that should be made.

Also, what you just said to describe everyone else (meaning, the entirety of the website that doesn't include you) is the very definition of arrogance. You're kidding yourself if you think sports, and in this case Gustafsson, is all that complicated of a thing. We're not talking string theory or quantum physics here. It's sports. Even if that analogy were accurate, which it isn't, being in a position of power doesn't make your opinion or thoughts intelligent or even accurate. There's an innumerable amount of examples of that in life, including with teachers and GM's. I once had an Intro to Computers class in college where my teacher couldn't figure out how to maximize a Youtube window, couldn't figure out how to mute and unmute the volume on the computer, and put in the wrong answer key for every single scantron test. That's one example of countless ones of why an appeal to authority is a lazy and worthless fallacy of logic.

I mean, honestly, I would've also liked to see Gus play more when he was here, because I thought he deserved to be on the bottom pairing. I don't want him back now, though, since I'd rather have, say, Marti or Hagg playing, and having Gus would just be extra competition they'd have to deal with to get into the lineup.

And you'll find nobody worth listening to that heavily disagrees. In fact, the people who have been arguing with DFF, that you classify as "first year college students thinking they can solve graduate level problems", have said the exact same thing over and over and over again.
 

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But Berube is more like the janitor who hung around the University for years and years, he had Majored in Fast-food management, when his career at the staff canteen ended (he came back to the Universities smaller campus canteen to end his career after venturing to othe Uni canteens over a journeyman career) he became a janitor, to library card machine mechanic, to campus security, to part time invigilator, to administrator in the Events Management department, to student support officer , took a few night courses from shady on-line institutions, wiped the University administrators arses if they asked, and then when a course Professor on a failing course was canned for the failings at a time when almost every Professor who was a specialist in the field was either employed in a foolproof contract or involved in fieldwork, the ex-janitor pointed out that he had a degree from 'University of Berkley, Erie' that was semi-related to that field, and had experience doing guest lectures for a year a few years before (in the Fast food management department). And was then canned because it was apparent he was useless, and thought Foucault was a major Chinese corporation (say it how Berube would say it (slowly) after Giroux explained to him how Foucault should be pronounced.) akin to Sony or Fuji.
 
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But Berube is more like the janitor who hung around the University for years and years, he had Majored in Fast-food management, when his career at the staff canteen ended (he came back to the Universities smaller campus canteen to end his career after venturing to othe Uni canteens over a journeyman career) he became a janitor, to library card machine mechanic, to campus security, to part time invigilator, to administrator in the Events Management department, to student support officer , took a few night courses from shady on-line institutions, wiped the University administrators arses if they asked, and then when a course Professor on a failing course was canned for the failings at a time when almost every Professor who was a specialist in the field was either employed in a foolproof contract or involved in fieldwork, the ex-janitor pointed out that he had a degree from 'University of Berkley, Erie' that was semi-related to that field, and had experience doing guest lectures for a year a few years before (in the Fast food management department). And was then canned because it was apparent he was useless, and thought Foucault was a major Chinese corporation (say it how Berube would say it (slowly) after Giroux explained to him how Foucault should be pronounced.) akin to Sony or Fuji.

:handclap::laugh: That's some Beef esque imagination right there.
 

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You're kidding yourself if you think sports, and in this case Gustafsson, is all that complicated of a thing. We're not talking string theory or quantum physics here. It's sports.
Well said. It kills me when people act like scouts, GMs, and coaches can't be wrong. And yet, we see them make mistakes almost daily. Appealing to authority in fricken sports is as fallacious as it gets.
 

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It doesn't bother me terribly that Gus wasn't here this season. He's not a difference maker, and the team wouldn't have been markedly better with him versus without. It does bother me that Homer decided to lock up at least a similar player in MacDonald to a long term deal at over 5x the cost. It's nearly impossible to succeed in the cap era when you're constantly overpaying complementary players.
 

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