Speculation: Engvall watch: what is he to this team?

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

he's fine as a fourth line winger and PKer.

You're okay with 2.25m on your 4th line?

He doesn't fight, barely hits... There's a TON of league min players that bring that. ZAR and NAK Are top tier 4th liners, and they don't make 2.25m. he'll also be looking for a raise next year too.. might as well give that spot to a hungry prospect with top 6 potential or a hard working skilled player that can hit/fight.

If I wanted a player with a long reach and plays defense I'd sign Marincin back and tell him to play forward.

 

[dubplatepressure]

His elite skating/ stride creates separation and room for plays and his teammates, but he's really looked like a half step behind where he was last year. This is probably expected considering he missed a large part of training camp. I would expect we give him another 10 - 15 games before making any decisions about him.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

the player with 0 offensive IQ? I doubt players miss playing with him. Engvall maybe because they are similar in that sense.

Which player are you comparing Mikheyev to? Matthews or Denis Malgin? Mikheyev was not a chump. Sorry.

 

[notbias]

Which player are you comparing Mikheyev to? Matthews or Denis Malgin? Mikheyev was not a chump. Sorry.

Mikheyev is like Kapanen to me, tons of tools, just doesn't have great offensive instinct, sorry if you think he does, but he is best suited to play with other low offensive IQ players.

He is still a good player and useful, just not in the top 6. And for sure now at his current cap hit.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Leafs fans always need one guy to complain about... I guess he's your guy.

Is it complaining? or is it seeing 2 young guys pushing for a spot and seeing Engvall as a guy likely to lose a spot?

 

[mapleleaf979]

Nylander-Tavares-Engvall

This is something I would look at. His size and reach can be really useful on the defensive end, disrupting passing lanes on the backcheck and in small areas poking the puck loose. He is an excellent skater for his size and can skate with Nylander. Kapanen proved he cant finish plays, Engvall I think needs a look. His subpar forechecking, lack of finishing skill, might be the reason why he cant sustain that spot on that line. Engvall has some upside still.

 

[Fogelhund]

Is it complaining? or is it seeing 2 young guys pushing for a spot and seeing Engvall as a guy likely to lose a spot?

If that's what they are seeing, they need glasses.

 

[Leaf4Life79]

That play last night along the boards that we all shook our heads at was indicative of how useless he can be.

If I was his agent or mentor I would advise him to become more like Ryan Reaves. He could make lots of money and never have to worry about the puck.

I was at the game, everyone sucked until half way in the second where everyone woke up... Engvall is not that bad! lets talk about Holl... lol. even though he scored a goal, he still sucks!

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But the man still sticks his 'neck' out every night!!!! I have no beef with the man...Holl on the other hand, you can 'Holl' his ass out of Toronto for an upgrade!

 

[ACC1224]

He’s the type that some will defend and mock others for not liking but then be quickly forgotten once gone.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Look who's happy his Steelers' upset Brady and the Bucs .

 

[ZEBROA]

He’s the type that some will defend and mock others for not liking but then be quickly forgotten once gone.

Quickly forgotten once gone is like almost all 3rd, 4th liners..

 

[Nineteen67]

I was at the game, everyone sucked until half way in the second where everyone woke up... Engvall is not that bad! lets talk about Holl... lol. even though he scored a goal, he still sucks!


But the man still sticks his 'neck' out every night!!!! I have no beef with the man...Holl on the other hand, you can 'Holl' his ass out of Toronto for an upgrade!

This is an Engvall thread.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Reading a thread about Pierre is right up there with hearing "who wants to freestyle" and "go touch grass" these days.

I'd like to see him block a shot and get some severance pay.

 

[ACC1224]

Quickly forgotten once gone is like almost all 3rd, 4th liners..

Exactly

 

[Niagara Bill]

Engvall's size is more reach than anything. He's not super soft but he's not some punisher on the ice or guaranteed to win one on ones with smaller opponents. From the short sample of the season thus far, Jarnkrok is a better version of Engvall: more pressuring on the forecheck, more carrying his momentum through into traffic, harder with the body contact, more hustling on the penalty kill.

I want Robertson to have a nice run with the Marlies to earn the promotion so he hits the ice in full flight when the opportunity presents itself.

Couldn't agree more about Robertson. He needs to play. He needs to be trending up when he hits the NHL ice and then let him play a long stretch to get his bearings at that level. I hate Keefe for over managing Sandin, Lily etc.
If he starts pulling Sandin in and out again it does not help out development. NHL guys must learn their game with the long grind. Find your spots, play a safe game, not try to over play.

 

[TMLAM34]

Pulling for Engvall, he’s got a lot of tools you’d like in a player but just can’t seem to get to that next step. Hasn’t had a great start to the season and may need a little kick in the ass by sitting a game or two to get him going. Gets Robertson in the lineup as well.

 

[Cobra777]

Well our stars Mathews and Marner are more physical than him, he has no excuse with that 6'5 frame to play that passive, he puts exactly 0 fear on teams defensemen or any other puck carrier. IMHO I've seen enough

 

[Leaf4Life79]

This is an Engvall thread.

Thanks tips

 

[hobarth]

On a line with Kerfoot and Jarnkrok, Engval is the only player that can move the puck, the other two wave their sticks. 6'5" doesn't mean he has to be physical, Robertson isn't physical, TO's minor leaguers aren't physical, Malgin isn't physical, Kampf isn't, basically TO has few physical players and they're deservedly mostly 4th liners.

 

[Shooter2x]

he's fine as a fourth line winger and PKer.

Our depth got weaker yet he still dropped from no.5 most used forward on pk to...I don't even know anymore because money puck stops at 9th highest pk minutes.

Can only be max 6th for forwards.

*I meant to say our pk depth was weakened (Mik) and he didn't default to miks spot as a result. Bunch of new guys came in and automatically slotted ahead

 

[LeafEgo]

Just imagine if Engvall played the way Jarnkrok plays the game. Honest to goodness Engvall might be a highly desirable power forward. And what's stopping Engvall from playing the game that way? Probably nothing, he's got the footspeed, the size, the physique, even decent hands.

His processor is too slow to make use of those tools.

 

[Martin Skoula]

He has all the tools to be anything between Kilger and Grabner but he chooses to be this.

 

[Havoc]

Mik was rask Engvall was pogge

 

[TMLAM34]

Mik was rask Engvall was pogge

Jesus Christ…

 

[banks]

You're okay with 2.25m on your 4th line?

He doesn't fight, barely hits... There's a TON of league min players that bring that. ZAR and NAK Are top tier 4th liners, and they don't make 2.25m. he'll also be looking for a raise next year too.. might as well give that spot to a hungry prospect with top 6 potential or a hard working skilled player that can hit/fight.

If I wanted a player with a long reach and plays defense I'd sign Marincin back and tell him to play forward.

I think you nailed it. There's times when Engvall seems like he should be a middle 6 staple. But those times sure haven't lasted long. Most of the time he's just a very tall replacement player. The word I like to use a lot is 'noticeable'. How often do I notice a player in a positive way.

Most of the time I don't notice Engvall. He's not impacting the game, and not making a difference. I don't think he wins enough puck battles, I don't think he makes life hard on the opposition with hits, I don't think he improves his linemates, I don't think he dictates the game with his speed, I don't think he intimidates, and I don't think he has a dangerous shot. I don't think he fills any role that a team really needs, aside from filling a roster spot and a sweater.

If he never played for the Leafs again, I'd forget he was ever on the team by Sunday.