GWT: English Premier League Round 4

[bleedblue1223]

He's not supposed to put his leg that high in the air. It's against the rules, plain and simple. Incredibly reckless play by Mane and a deserved red.

Exactly.

 

[phisherman]

Why is Klavan starting in such an important game?

 

[Savant]

Why is Klavan starting in such an important game?

Because Lovren and Gomez were both too tired from the international break according to Klopp.

 

[bleedblue1223]

He has a right to the ball. Mane has to put his leg up to play the ball. Ederson was equally reckless and he got hurt.

He didn't not have to do what he did. Ederson was not equally reckless.

 

[Savant]

Exactly.

Mane has a right to the ball. He is 5'8", where else is he supposed to put his leg in order to play the ball?

 

[Savant]

He didn't not have to do what he did. Ederson was not equally reckless.

Running off your line and leading with your head for a 50-50 ball is reckless.

If he stays in the box he just uses his hands. Ederson, like Mane, only had eyes for the ball.

 

[Blender]

He has a right to the ball. Mane has to put his leg up to play the ball. Ederson was equally reckless and he got hurt.

He in no way "has to" put his leg 6 feet in the air to play the ball. In fact he explicitly isn't supposed to do that. He could have let it drop further before playing it or been in a better spot to get under it to head/chest it. It's against the rules to do what he did, why is that so hard to grasp?

Ederson wasn't equally reckless. If they had simply collided and Ederson got hurt, I'd put more of the blame on him for coming way out for sure. He was kicked in the face though, so he in no way gets half the blame for that.

 

[Adonis Creed]

Mane has a right to the ball. He is 5'8", where else is he supposed to put his leg in order to play the ball?

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Mane is 5'8". Ederson is 6'3" and leading with his head. Mane doesn't see him . Where is Mane supposed to put his leg? That's why it's head height. Let's not pretend Ederson got karate kicked.

How do you know that? To me it looked the opposite and Mane believed that he could win the battle. Which he did, but in a very reckless way.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

I don't agree and that's okay.

Ederson comes off his line recklessly and aggressively which is his style but he put himself in danger and he got caught.

Does Mane not have a right to go for that ball?

You've been spending too much time around Curtinho.

 

[Burner Account]

Has to be a red. I understand he was going for/looking at the ball, but he did so in a reckless manner.

 

[Savant]

He in no way "has to" put his leg 6 feet in the air to play the ball. In fact he explicitly isn't supposed to do that. He could have let it drop further before playing it or been in a better spot to get under it to head/chest it. It's against the rules to do what he did, why is that so hard to grasp?

Ederson wasn't equally reckless. If they had simply collided and Ederson got hurt, I'd put more of the blame on him for coming way out for sure. He was kicked in the face though, so he in no way gets half the blame for that.

Mane is potential 1v1 with the keeper, whom he doesn't see. He isn't going to play that with his head there when he beat the defense. It was a complete accident. Ederson comes out head first, and drops his head. Head meets foot.

I don't agree. And that's fine.

 

[Arcade Fire]

He has a right to the ball. Mane has to put his leg up to play the ball. Ederson was equally reckless and he got hurt.

If you have to put your foot that high and risk the safety of everyone else on the pitch to challenge for the ball maybe you shouldn't challenge for the ball in that situation.

 

[Savant]

If you have to put your foot that high and risk the safety of everyone else on the pitch to challenge for the ball maybe you shouldn't challenge for the ball in that situation.

He has to put his foot high because he is trying to play a ball that he has the right to. It's not his fault that the keeper is six inches taller than him and has his head down.

 

[Blender]

Mane is potential 1v1 with the keeper, whom he doesn't see. He isn't going to play that with his head there when he beat the defense. It was a complete accident. Ederson comes out head first, and drops his head. Head meets foot.

I don't agree. And that's fine.

NO ONE IS SAYING THIS WAS INTENTIONAL.

It's reckless to kick that high and it's against the rules. If he can't play the ball without kicking that high, he shouldn't be trying to play the ball. It was a reckless challenge and a deserved red. You don't know he didn't see Ederson either, and I find it hard to believe he didn't with the angle of approach. I highly doubt Mane's peripheral vision is so bad he couldn't see him coming at all.

 

[phisherman]

Klopp is ruthless. Putting Ox in a massacre on his debut after experiencing a similar massacre in the previous game.

 

[Blender]

He has to put his foot high because he is trying to play a ball that he has the right to. It's not his fault that the keeper is six inches taller than him and has his head down.

You keep tossing out the height difference like it makes it better. Mane kicking someone in the head who is 6'3" is worse than kicking someone in the head who is 5'4". It's his fault for trying for such a high kick. If he can't play the ball without doing that, he doesn't have a right to play the ball.

 

[Savant]

NO ONE IS SAYING THIS WAS INTENTIONAL.

It's reckless to kick that high and it's against the rules. If he can't play the ball without kicking that high, he shouldn't be trying to play the ball. It was a reckless challenge and a deserved red. You don't know he didn't see Ederson either, and I find it hard to believe he didn't with the angle of approach. I highly doubt Mane's peripheral vision is so bad he couldn't see him coming at all.

https://m.imgur.com/z6vJF9v

 

[Blender]

https://m.imgur.com/z6vJF9v

Do you know what peripheral vision is? Being totally focused on the ball is not the same as not being able to see any of your surroundings.

 

[Ar-too]

Clear red for me. It's a shame for the game, and for Mane as well, but the safety of players is paramount. He doesn't have to intend to kick him in the head for it to be a red.

 

[Savant]

Do you know what peripheral vision is? Being totally focused on the ball is not the same as not being able to see any of your surroundings.

I think Clatterberg knows better than either of us. I don't think a red in this situation was controversial either but there certainly is a divided opinion.

 

[StatesideSensFan]

Yea, like the red loving Clattenburg is the ref to ask anyways

Mark got in trouble for his LFC affiliation a time or 2 as I remember

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

TIL that Mane has no peripheral vision.

 

[Adonis Creed]

Can Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain become the first Premier League footballer to lose 4-0 two games in a row for different clubs? For the culture.

 

[Blender]

I think Clatterberg knows better than either of us

So when your arguments fail and are clearly wrong, you fall back on appeal to authority? I think Jon Moss knows better than either of us as well.