Pre-Game Talk: End vs van: It may happen, but not anytime soon

[Gregsky99]

I’m itching for oiler hockey to get back, but apparently Vancouver isn’t. Whether we play or not TBD today.

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[Jimmi McJenkins]

They'll postpone it a week, but we'll find out tomorrow 3 hrs before game time.

 

[Gregsky99]

They'll postpone it a week, but we'll find out tomorrow 3 hrs before game time.

You’re giving them too much credit. I’m expecting after the pregame warmups

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

You’re giving them too much credit. I’m expecting after the pregame warmups

Fair, but it won't be then because they won't risk the Nucks health in a pregame warm up.

 

[xoczar99ox]

The only thing that I know for sure about what’s going on with hockey right now is that the Avalanche beat so and so, and the Oilers game has been postponed due to no fault of there own...

 

[McJadeddog]

I feel for the Vancouver players. They didn't get COVID for any fault of their own, as it was apparently Gaudettes idiot girlfriend who caused the whole thing. Some of them probably went through the ringer with being sick and they might not be up to speed yet. But that is how the cookie crumbles this year unfortunately. The Oilers have been screwed over in scheduling pretty badly this year because of the Montreal and Vancouver issues.

 

[Spirit of 67]

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Just cancel the rest of their season for f***'s sake.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I mean honestly, just let the Nucks set their schedule, don't want to put them in a bad position.

 

[Spirit of 67]

I mean honestly, just let the Nucks set their schedule, don't want to put them in a bad position.

I'm just staying out of it.

My motto (since the lock out): Tell me when the games are on and I'll watch.

 

[McJeety McJeet]

If they want to forfeit and award the points to the Oilers they should be allowed. The Oilers have been f***ed around enough, through no fault of their own. Because of these changes the NHL basically scheduled two losses for the Oilers due to Covid outbreaks on other teams, one against Montreal and whatever it is we watched last weekend. Now they want to take away a scheduled win? Enough, play or forfeit.

 

[bone]

At this point, I think the most logical solution that reduces the impact on the playoff schedule is to throw out the entire schedule 7 days out from now. Schedule all of the games that include two of Calgary, Vancouver and Ottawa to occur after May 9th (there are ten such games though there are a few of such games would be played before the 7 days are up).

This means all the playoff teams get their games in vs. them on time vs. the original schedule. If by chance either Calgary or Vancouver fluke themselves back into a playoff spot as a result, then fine you wait to start the playoffs, but if they are all mathematically eliminated by that time (which is the most likely scenario) you're not delaying the start of the playoffs.

 

[Little Fury]

Cancel the games, give their opponents a point and call it a day on their season.

 

[dssource]

Nucks need to be removed from play for this year. Enough of this. Take all the team points away from all games from all teams as if the nucks weren't in the division. The standings may change slightly, but the same top 4 will still be there. Keep individual points since those were still earned fairly. Run a 6 team North division going forward, top 4 still make it.

 

[bone]

Cancel the games, give their opponents a point and call it a day on their season.

Anything that automatically gives points isn't fair to the spirit of competition for the other teams. 1 point. You could argue that's a disservice to Edmonton because they are averaging about 1.2 points per game. Give them a win, that's unfair to the teams they are competing with. If it was one game, it wouldn't be a huge issue, but with Edmonton having 5 games left against Vancouver whereas Montreal has zero, that's a significant swing either way.

If the games don't get played, it's got to be based on percentages.

 

[bone]

Nucks need to be removed from play for this year. Enough of this. Take all the team points away from all games from all teams as if the nucks weren't in the division. The standings may change slightly, but the same top 4 will still be there. Keep individual points since those were still earned fairly. Run a 6 team North division going forward, top 4 still make it.

That may be the most fair solution. Though they'd never do that since the Habs earned 15 of 18 points in their 9 games.

The revised standings would actually put Calgary in the playoffs right now and Ottawa 3 points back of Calgary. Though Montreal would still have tons of games to make up while everyone else schedule would lighten up significantly.

	GP	W	L	OTL	Pts
Toronto Maple Leafs	38	25	9	4	54
Winnipeg Jets	36	21	12	3	45
Edmonton Oilers	37	22	13	2	46
Montreal Canadiens	31	12	13	6	30
Calgary Flames	37	15	19	3	33
Ottawa Senators	39	14	23	2	30

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[Jimmi McJenkins]

Anything that automatically gives points isn't fair to the spirit of competition for the other teams. 1 point. You could argue that's a disservice to Edmonton because they are averaging about 1.2 points per game. Give them a win, that's unfair to the teams they are competing with. If it was one game, it wouldn't be a huge issue, but with Edmonton having 5 games left against Vancouver whereas Montreal has zero, that's a significant swing either way.

If the games don't get played, it's got to be based on percentages.

That's perfect, cancel their games and do that.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

does Connor win the Art Ross and MVP with only 51 games played? probably

 

[Drivesaitl]

Anything that automatically gives points isn't fair to the spirit of competition for the other teams. 1 point. You could argue that's a disservice to Edmonton because they are averaging about 1.2 points per game. Give them a win, that's unfair to the teams they are competing with. If it was one game, it wouldn't be a huge issue, but with Edmonton having 5 games left against Vancouver whereas Montreal has zero, that's a significant swing either way.

If the games don't get played, it's got to be based on percentages.

Yes, but Edmontons schedule has also been torn into shreds on the basis of having 3 Nucks games ppd which throws a wrench in a teams preparation, what to expect, etc and that also ends up with the team subbing in on Colby Cave memorial day when the players were clearly not ready to play. We've been screwed around with this, so I see nothing wrong with us just getting the default pts. I don't think our pts should be win % averaged either as the Nucks are 2nd weakest club in the division and if games were played we probably win 4 to 5 of these.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

IF they cancel the Canucks games, Oilers would play the least amount of games at 51
Habs would be the only team to play all 56 games

 

[McJadeddog]

That's perfect, cancel their games and do that.

Isn't that the NHL's position already? I thought this was already established, but maybe it was just rumored and hadn't been "officially" stated by the league yet.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Isn't that the NHL's position already? I thought this was already established, but maybe it was just rumored and hadn't been "officially" stated by the league yet.

no, where did you hear this?

 

[bone]

Yes, but Edmontons schedule has also been torn into shreds on the basis of having 3 Nucks games ppd which throws a wrench in a teams preparation, what to expect, etc and that also ends up with the team subbing in on Colby Cave memorial day when the players were clearly not ready to play. We've been screwed around with this, so I see nothing wrong with us just getting the default pts. I don't think our pts should be win % averaged either as the Nucks are 2nd weakest club in the division and if games were played we probably win 4 to 5 of these.

I won't dispute that Edmonton's been jobbed the most as a result. I just don't think it's ever fair to give points based off what you think would happen (even though pct does that somewhat as well). Reality is the NHL is damned if they do, damned if they don't. Based off last years situation, and the rescheduling strategies employed by the league, I'm pretty confident the scenario that most negatively impacts Edmonton will be the one they go with though.

So watch them go with giving single points to the team Vancouver would have played with Vancouver eventually returning to play next week where they basically play five games vs. non-playoff teams. So Toronto only gets 2 instead of the likely 4, Edmonton 1 of the likely 2, then Calgary gets to eat them up to get back in the playoff hunt vs. Montreal (which I actually don't necessarily mind as it will push Calgary to win those games vs Montreal and keep them behind us).

Thinking more on this, that would probably be reasonable especially since Edmonton has the tenth game vs. Vancouver that other teams didn't and will get them 4 more times still in their tailspin to the finish line that's likely to follow this. So it's not overly impactful to the final standings overall.

I don't think Vancouver players have an issue returning to play next week, the issue is that after almost a month off where many of them were really sick, one day isn't enough to get them into game shape to play a back to back followed by another 17 games in the 28 days to follow. By Monday or Tuesday next week, it's not an unreasonable ask to get them to play.

 

[Drivesaitl]

So judging from the team comments yesterday looks like Nuge is on concussion protocol. He's going for daily skates and being assessed by doctors. Looks like he got a concussion or burner. Not his first one. Players are more susceptible to concussion the more they have had them. Wonder if this also needs to be considered in evaluating what his worth is in next contract. My own thinking is this is a half in player that is already somewhat disengaged and trying to play safe out there. Not sure whats gained in paying big money for that. Probably time to move on. Nuge wasn't value in the present contract and sure won't be in the next one. Recurring concussions add to a level of concern with this player, who already avoids contact.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Isn't that the NHL's position already? I thought this was already established, but maybe it was just rumored and hadn't been "officially" stated by the league yet.

I mean if it was, just do that, don't do this. Stop ***king around the Oilers and other such stupidity and just cancel these games.

They talked about it, but clearly don't have the wherewithal to actually do it for some reason.