Edmonton's Rebuild vs Toronto's Rebuild

[Divine]

Toronto can't even with a play-off series.

Leafs play in the toughest division in the league. That being said, whoever wins the Atlantic probably wins the Cup. The top 3 teams are probably top 5 teams in the NHL.

 

[Ninety7]

Management. That’s all it is.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Pretty simple. Toronto has decent management and the Oilers.. don't.

 

[Warden of the North]

Since we're comparing teams here, Toronto traded a similar winger for less return while retaining salary. Kessel is older but nearly as effective as hall is today, plus hall is due a huge raise the year after next.

The difference being that Toronto isnt desperate for wingers right now and Edmonton is. Toronto also got a winger out of the deal and a 1st a round pick. You of course know that the Oilers got a middle pair dman for a Hart Winner.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Supposedly your team is in the black now? I don't see any Oiler fans on here constantly talking through their ass about team success and "making it" compared to the embarrassing show of Leafs fans on this board - especially when your team has been a steaming pile of garbage that has the distinction of being the least relevant team in the NHL since before the Beatles broke up.

So, enjoy your horrible D core, a player who can barely hit 85 points a season at $1.5 million less than the best player in the world and a core of players your teenager GM has no availability to sign. Great success!

Sheesh, step back from the ledge. Also you guys were the summer stanley cup champions a year after the first playoff appearance, there are absolutely Oiler fans here that constantly talk through their ass, I suspect we'll see them in this thread.

 

[oooooooooohCanada]

They won a series 2 years ago, it’s been 14 and counting for Toronto

And this is relevant to the current team how?

Toronto is set up to be a 100+ point team for the next 5 years minimum. Sure they haven't won a round yet but you cannot deny that they are at the early end of a pretty long window. That is 'successful' in rebuilding imo.

 

[McDNicks17]

I'll admit the Leafs look to have a better team around their 1st overall pick, but I'm hesitant to crown the Leafs rebuild until we see what the team looks like with Matthews on his next contract.

We'll really see how good that management is when they have two players making $11M+.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

The Oilers are likely going to miss the playoffs for the second year in a row, the other team should compete for the President's trophy.

Is Matthews going to play 82 games this year too?

 

[Senor Catface]

Leafs play in the toughest division in the league. That being said, whoever wins the Atlantic probably wins the Cup. The top 3 teams are probably top 5 teams in the NHL.

Atlantic is one of the worst divisions.

Ottawa, Montreal, Detroit, Buffalo.

If half of your division is going to fill out the bottom 10 of the league, your division isn't good pal.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Leafs play in the toughest division in the league. That being said, whoever wins the Atlantic probably wins the Cup. The top 3 teams are probably top 5 teams in the NHL.

I'd say the Atlantic is #3 behind Metro and Central. The winner of caps/pens will "probably" win the cup for the 4th year in a row. It's more probable than your scenario.

 

[Frank Drebin]

The difference being that Toronto isnt desperate for wingers right now and Edmonton is. Toronto also got a winger out of the deal and a 1st a round pick. You of course know that the Oilers got a middle pair dman for a Hart Winner.

And the leafs retained to ship out a conn smythe finalist to get a middle 6 er in return.

Both trades are bad, but like you said the current state of the rosters make Edmontons look much worse. And I'm not sure what Edmonton would do with hall after next season when he's a ufa looking for 10+. Probably be forced to trade him for an underwhelming return.

Bad trade though regardless

 

[Cleatus]

Awe yes, another good old Leafs vs Oilers bash fest, and right before the regular season begins.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Is Matthews going to play 82 games this year too?

even if not, the Leafs are still an easy playoff team. It's a shame you can't say the same thing about Edmonton without McDavid. or even with him frankly

 

[LeafsNation75]

Toronto has been able to at least make the playoffs during the first 2 years of Auston Matthews career, where as Edmonton has made the playoffs 1/3 years since Connor McDavid entered the NHL.

 

[puckIuck]

 

[Frank Drebin]

When you put it that way

 

[LeafChief]

They won a series 2 years ago, it’s been 14 and counting for Toronto

Habs fan spitting fire. Love it!

 

[LeafChief]

Is Matthews going to play 82 games this year too?

Is McDavid? Show me your crystal ball. I'd love to have a look.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

I'd say the reason is oilers management totally miscalculated the direction the league was heading and built a team more for 2011 than for 2018. Having big tough players is a secondary perk (like Washington's), it shouldn't be the ethos the team is built on. The league is now about strong skating more than anything. I think they realize this now but changing course is like slowly steering a ship in the right direction. Might take a season or two before they catch up to Toronto.

 

[Paris in Flames]

Atlantic is one of the worst divisions.

Ottawa, Montreal, Detroit, Buffalo.

If half of your division is going to fill out the bottom 10 of the league, your division isn't good pal.

Yeah except the post you quoted is a response to the Leafs not winning a playoff series so the point still remains since to come out of the Atlantic you still need to go through 2 of Boston/Tampa/Toronto.

You want to crap on the Leafs go right ahead but at least pick up on context of posts you're quoting.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

And the leafs retained to ship out a conn smythe finalist to get a middle 6 er in return.

Both trades are bad, but like you said the current state of the rosters make Edmontons look much worse. And I'm not sure what Edmonton would do with hall after next season when he's a ufa looking for 10+. Probably be forced to trade him for an underwhelming return.

Bad trade though regardless

How exactly is the Kessel trade bad? With Kessel in the lineup we don't win the draft lottery, don't have Matthews, don't have Andersen, don't have Kapanen, and likely don't have Tavares either. It was a good trade for both teams. By trading Hall you also got Lucic who might have the worst contract in the league and a replacement level #4dman in Larsson.

 

[rent free]

How exactly is the Kessel trade bad? With Kessel in the lineup we don't win the draft lottery, don't have Matthews, don't have Andersen, don't have Kapanen, and likely don't have Tavares either. It was a good trade for both teams. By trading Hall you also got Lucic who might have the worst contract in the league and a replacement level #4dman in Larsson.

the return on the kessel trade was bad. the act of trading him was good because the leafs needed to get rid of distractions and rebuild if they wanted to compete in the future.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Closed.

The OP should be warned that he no longer gets the benefit of the doubt with respect to these sorts of threads.