Edmonton's Rebuild vs Toronto's Rebuild

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  1. DancesWithWookies

    DancesWithWookies Registered User

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    Both teams have rebuilt recently and both have gotten first overall great players in Matthews and McDavid. It begs the question why Toronto's rebuild has been much more successful compared to Edmonton's. Toronto has managed to put together a stellar roster while the Oilers only have 3 or 4 guys who can compete at an elite level.

    So what happened here? Why has Toronto succeeded where Edmonton has failed?
     
  2. Mr Tadakichi

    Mr Tadakichi Never Reads OP Before Posting

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    "Toronto has managed to put together a stellar roster"

    There ya go OP, there's your answer, now we can lock this thread.
     
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    One has a front office and the other has Peter Chiarelli.
     
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    I don't disagree that Toronto's rebuild has been better, but how's about we wait until they get out of the first round before we anoint them as 'stellar'?
     
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    The Oilers are likely going to miss the playoffs for the second year in a row, the other team should compete for the President's trophy.
     
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    Toronto can't even with a play-off series.
     
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    ....Edmonton can't even make the playoffs.
     
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    They won a series 2 years ago, it’s been 14 and counting for Toronto
     
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    Leafs sold off the right and kept the right pieces. That makes a huge difference. The Leafs also have a solid amount of depth all around too which is something the Oilers are lacking.

    Keeping Hall and Eberle would have been huge for this team. They would have been a playoff team then.
     
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    It comes down to one main thing competent management. One team has it the other needs it.
     
  11. Frank Drebin

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    It's a combination of decisions and luck op.
     
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    When was this Oilers rebuild? I think it's come across to some as merely being dreadfully run means rebuilding but I think they've just maintained poor effort.
     
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    injuries, management and special teams

    toronto has been extremely lucky with injuries over the course of the past 2 seasons, while the oilers have been lucky for 1 season and unlucky the next season. if the oilers weren't plagued with injuries this past season, they'd probably make the playoffs.

    toronto also hasn't gotten terrible management like the oilers have. their transactions haven't been nearly as questionable as the oilers's has been. they haven't traded a top line winger for a 2nd pair defender like the oilers did.

    toronto's special teams are great while the oilers special teams have been terrible. that plays a big role as well.
     
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    Trading Hall will come to bite Edmonton in the *** for years to come.
     
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    Supposedly your team is in the black now? I don't see any Oiler fans on here constantly talking through their ass about team success and "making it" compared to the embarrassing show of Leafs fans on this board - especially when your team has been a steaming pile of garbage that has the distinction of being the least relevant team in the NHL since before the Beatles broke up.

    So, enjoy your horrible D core, a player who can barely hit 85 points a season at $1.5 million less than the best player in the world and a core of players your teenager GM has no availability to sign. Great success!
     
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    good point, Edmonton's rebuild has been way more successful. Winning a playoff series against a mediocre team and going right back into sucking is the goal everyone has in mind
     
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    Since we're comparing teams here, Toronto traded a similar winger for less return while retaining salary. Kessel is older but nearly as effective as hall is today, plus hall is due a huge raise the year after next.
     
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    I asked this exact question not too long ago. Had 19 responses. 18 said yes and 1 said no

    “Would Edmonton trade their entire organization (players, prospects, coaches, GM, all management, scouts, ect) sraight up for Toronto’s?”

    The 1”no” answer, was from an Edmonton poster many people have said are on their ignore lists, for what it’s worth
     
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    It was Kevin Lowe wasn't it
     
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    Edmonton didn't trade for enough picks when selling off veterans, didn't draft well with the 2nd round and lower picks they had, made crappy management and asset decisions, and so on and so on. In other words, they failed (completely and utterly) to build a support team around the players they picked in the first round. Toronto did the complete opposite of this.
     
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    Leafs will always be relevant. Even in their darkest years where they traded first round picks to go on and finish near last in the league, only to follow it up with years of collapses, y'all couldn't stop talking about them.
     
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    An Oiler fan talking about horrible D core, lack of team success and incompetent management? Take notes everyone.
     
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    The Oilers team is definitely a work in progress, but the pieces there are high quality, and could click with the right moves. We also had injuries and other issues last year, which is an underrated factor in a team's success or failure. Tampa even missed the playoffs a couple seasons ago, while being stacked. Parity is real. Having any kind of handicap is a death knell.

    Toronto's rebuild seems quite good, although it's hard to say how real they are. Their brilliant move was landing Anderson, an established #1. It's also amazing that they got Tavares of course. I also think that they learned from their failed rebuilds, and Edmonton's failed rebuilds, with that PR campaign that told the fans to expect a losing season to rebuild the correct way, along with a freeze on ticket prices. That removed the intense pressure to win in that market, and ironically led to them being such a poised and successful team. Same kind of factor as Vegas. Low expectations, no pressure, and it helps players succeed (especially young players)

    For Edm, it was the opposite, with sky high expectations. The proof is that we had historically bad special teams at home, and high ranking PK on the road. (Maybe road PP was good too). Our team needs a good start to remove the pressure. What sucks is that we already have injury issue in that Sekera is gone, and the replacements are sub par so far. We also still don't have an OFD, and will likely rush a young kid, which is destined to be hit and miss.
     
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    I do see an Oilers fan responding to this thread made by a Winnipeg fan by ****ting all over the Leafs (who are in a better spot than the Oilers). You're every bit as bad as the Leafs fans you're criticizing
     
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