Edmonton, Katz Group agree to $450M arena deal (UPD - still $100m funding gap)

[cyril*]

The BOG. You might of heard of them. They pay Bettman his salary.

I would be very curious to hear why you think the BOG has any input into the Edmonton arena.

Or are you just making this up on the fly?

 

[Melrose Munch]

I would be very curious to hear why you think the BOG has any input into the Edmonton arena.

Or are you just making this up on the fly?

Why does this have to be spelled out?

Right now there is a 100 million dollar gap. What if that does not get filled at all. Katz could then in 2013 say he tried and go to the BOG and ask for permission to relocate. Do you think the BOG will vote to keep the oilers in edmonton?

 

[Roughneck]

The province will be especially wary because what they do for Edmonton they'll be expected to do for Calgary as well. This is without gauging what public support is like for giving such large sums of money to subsidize pro sports franchises owned by some of the richest individuals in the country (and I think Katz, Edwards and Riddell are 1,2 and 3 in the province respectively).

The PCs are on shaky political ground with the budget being one of the big issues. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[King Woodballs]

good northlands was a dump two decades ago

 

[Melrose Munch]

The province will be especially wary because what they do for Edmonton they'll be expected to do for Calgary as well. This is without gauging what public support is like for giving such large sums of money to subsidize pro sports franchises owned by some of the richest individuals in the country (and I think Katz, Edwards and Riddell are 1,2 and 3 in the province respectively).

The PCs are on shaky political ground with the budget being one of the big issues. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

That's really the point. 100m is a lot of money.

 

[Buck Aki Berg]

Do you think the BOG will vote to keep the oilers in edmonton?

Absolutely.

 

[DoyleG]

As per TSN:

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=366237



I'm not too familiar with Alberta politics, but this seems like posturing to me. If push comes to shove (ie. Oilers being threatened with a relo), they'll pony up the cash.

You choose to ignore that Stelmach is a lame duck premier and will be out of office in a couple of months.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

You choose to ignore that Stelmach is a lame duck premier and will be out of office in a couple of months.

Okay. I guess I'll reiterate "I'm not familiar with Alberta politics". Nor do I really care, for that matter.

The fact that he's a lame-duck premier as you state lends more credence to my theory, namely that his statement is nothing more than posturing.

 

[DoyleG]

Okay. I guess I'll reiterate "I'm not familiar with Alberta politics". Nor do I really care, for that matter.

The fact that he's a lame-duck premier as you state lends more credence to my theory, namely that his statement is nothing more than posturing.

Yet he has been saying the same thing long before his resignation.

Try Again.

 

[cyril*]

Why does this have to be spelled out?

Right now there is a 100 million dollar gap. What if that does not get filled at all. Katz could then in 2013 say he tried and go to the BOG and ask for permission to relocate. Do you think the BOG will vote to keep the oilers in edmonton?

Relocate?

And if it came to that the BOG would vote to keep the team in Edmonton. Very simple reason, the team isn't bleeding money and pays INTO revenue sharing.

Your points make zero sense.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Yet he has been saying the same thing long before his resignation.

Try Again.

Riiiiight...?

So you think Stelmach's words carry some weight, or rather reflect how the Alberta gov't will approach the proposed $100 million subsidy? If so, scrap the terseness and enlighten me as to your theory.

If you're not of this opinion, then we're basically on the same page, and you're arguing me for the sake of arguing. In that case, I won't even bother firing a volley back.

 

[saskganesh]

So did Ontario. We have the same problems here. In fact we receive transfer payments out now.

Ontario still pays far more in taxes than they receive back in equalisation payments. And even with that adjustment, still pays far more than Alberta. You guys can look this up anytime.

 

[Melrose Munch]

Ontario still pays far more in taxes than they receive back in equalisation payments. And even with that adjustment, still pays far more than Alberta. You guys can look this up anytime.

Thank You for the backup. It's time we stopped pretending Alberta pays for the whole country it doe snot.

 

[Metzen]

Ontario still pays far more in taxes than they receive back in equalisation payments. And even with that adjustment, still pays far more than Alberta. You guys can look this up anytime.

Not on a per-captia basis, Albertan's pay more into the equalization payments then any other citizen.

 

[Beerfish]

Ontario still pays far more in taxes than they receive back in equalisation payments. And even with that adjustment, still pays far more than Alberta. You guys can look this up anytime.

Is this per capita? Just curious.

 

[Jamin]

Thank You for the backup. It's time we stopped pretending Alberta pays for the whole country it doe snot.

Since 1961 Alberta has given 147 billion in equilization payments including 14 billion for 2010. It may not be paying for the whole country but its alot of money gone. Alberta could be like dubai or something instead of struggling to build an arena

 

[Jamin]

Is this per capita? Just curious.

No its not. Per capita Albertans pay the most

 

[Thrillingbroom]

Here are some new concept photos for the design for the new rink.
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news...es+downtown+arena/6020876/story.html?tab=PHOT

Same group did the Sprint Centre in Kansas and Consol Energy Centre and are apparently also doing Calgary's new rink.

 

[htpwn]

Here are some new concept photos for the design for the new rink.
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news...es+downtown+arena/6020876/story.html?tab=PHOT

Same group did the Sprint Centre in Kansas and Consol Energy Centre and are apparently also doing Calgary's new rink.

Exterior is fairly bland, but interior looks great.

 

[mucker*]

Um, is this going to happen?
If so, when?

 

[Vomiting Kermit*]

are apparently also doing Calgary's new rink.

Calgary?

Exterior is fairly bland, but interior looks great.

That exterior shot is of the Sprint Center in Kansas City.

Um, is this going to happen?
If so, when?

I think they said shovels should be in the ground no later than April 2013 for the Oilers to be in the new building for the start of the 2015-16 season. Katz's original plan was to have a new arena for the 2014-15 season since the Rexall Place lease ends after 2013-14.

 

[Buck Aki Berg]

Calgary?

The Flames want out of the Saddledome in the next five-ish years.

 

[zimmy61]

Exterior is fairly bland, but interior looks great.

First time I've heard the Sprint Centre described as bland.

 

[Mungman]

Exterior is fairly bland, but interior looks great.

Eh, bland's not the right word. I think generic is better, or derivitave. Show a street level shot of it, or an aerial shot and you'd be hard pressed to name the venue or city it's in.

It's unfortunate, usually the concept drawings show the most flare and it gets more and more generic as the design gets refined. Look at the abomination that will be the new museum in Alberta, THAT is generic, it's unfortunate that dollars come into the picture to such an extent that all flare and risk in design disappears. That being said, you can go too far in the other direction too....

 

[Nordskull]

At least, the viewer must give a chance and wait for the final result. t may be nice in the end.

You know, you have the big O in la belle province. Honestly, if it could have been just like the plan, I think it would be a beautiful stadium but not for -25 or -30 C we got in january. Canada is a place for robust stadiums that works, not fancy ideas.

In the 70's, people had a complete different vision of developement and architecture then we got now.