ManofSteel55
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He has 2 years of right around 35 points as a middle six forward on a team that didn't score at all. Upshall hasn't put up a season with 30+ points in 5 years. to expect him to do so again would be an error in judgement.
PTO: [EDM] Scottie Upshall (released)
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ManofSteel55
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Reider had way better line mates in AZ and L.A. then Upshall the last few years. Look, I hope Rieder gets 40 points, I just think he is fading and Upshall has some grit/ability that could elevate him above Rieder in the line up.
ManofSteel55
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If he is played with Drai, Reider will have the best linemates he has ever had. Upshall has been on the fourth line the last few seasons because that's what he is now - a quality, gritty, fourth line player. Reider is just more skilled and at this point in their careers a much better option on a scoring line. Reider is coming off of a single bad season, you are writing him off far too soon. Of course, he may not work out on our 2nd line. But Upshall certainly isn't a better option at this point.
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To expect a player pigeonholed in the bottom 4, playing predominantly PK minutes with no PP time to have anything resembling a 30+ point season is simply far-fetched. You're comparing apples to oranges here - Rieder is supposed to have offensive upside while being defensively responsible. Upshall is a rock defensively, and at best mediocre offensively.
Upshall isn't a top 6 player. He isn't a middle 6 player. He's a really good 4th line energy guy, who excels on the PK. Don't expect offense from him, and be happy when he chips in. He will be a positive locker room influence and notable improvement on your god awful PK from last season.
You're better off hoping Benson/Yamamoto impress out of camp and steal that opportunity in the top 6 and allow both Rieder and Upshall to play down the lineup - because Edmonton isn't going to look pretty with either of them in the top 6.
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ThePhoenixx
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Actually the desert would quickly extract all the moisture from the garbage and...
Never mind.
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He's an above average 4th liner with speed and can kill PKs. That's all he's been asked to do. It's a nice piece of business for me, not sure why you could have such a strong opinion on a player averaging 10min of ice time.
THall4
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Maybe that's why he shoulda signed in Vancouver...fit in nicely with the hot garbage you guys signed this summer.
Hes actually a very good 4th line player...frankly im surprised he's only been given PTO's the last 3 seasons compared to other players that get actual deals.
EdmFlyersfan
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His real nickname in the NHL was "Scottsdale Scottie" and "Uptown Scottie"...due to his lifestyle.
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He's definitely a heart and soul player. Always has been. Given to taking dumb penalties because of it. He's got wheels for sure. Once upon a time he was a first rounder with 2nd line upside so he'll occasionally show flashes of offense but don't be fooled. Hes a solid speedy 4th liner who can pk. Definitely worth a look. Great pickup considering Edmontons needs
ChaoticOrange
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Your team has slugs and grinders like Gudbranson, Beagle, Sutter, Eriksson, and Gagner taking up over 20 million in cap space for the next two seasons.
If Upshall even gets a contract it’ll be for one year at league min.
Mind yer business.
This is the main forum bub, it aint the Oilers forum.
If you cant take the heat then stay out of the kitchen...
Skolman
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That's some kind of heat you're bringing, shad up.
oilerbear
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Which average.
One of the hockey theories I presented was
3d matrix of player situation usage based on Desjardins Comp, Team, ZS.
Later presented as inaccurate 2 axis player usage charts by Volman and others.
Thier are 512 situations with viable data variance to set the breakdown at that level.
Meaning thier are 512 situation averages to do a +/- performance comparison.
Like Scotty Bowman, I believe you build lines by strong situation fwd pairs.
Lines are 1st , 2nd, 3rd, 4th based on level of offence & Goal diff they can out performe.
Brodziak and Upshall.
Of the 60% of ZS that is from face offs
49.6% was in thier def Zone.
19.4% was in the OZ.
Of the 40% of ZS that is from coach’s bench change decision.
70% was without pocession..
They faced on average bott 1st/Upr 2nd comp.
The expected 0ff production for this situation is 1.40evgf/60.
2.09 was what they were.
Running a Def FO and Bench change PvP role is usually -22 unit Goal diff for 800 even minutes per season.
The pair played 458 ev min and were -2.
When the expected was -13.
So the were +11 relative to the expected unit Goal diff.
+1.44 evg/60min.
They were an elite 1st comp goal diff forward pair last year.
Allowing softer comp for the other lines.
I hope they show that same Elite talent paired in camp.
Top options for Even off production/ Goal diff fwd pairs.
RNH-Mcdavid-xxx
xxx-Draisatl-Puljujarvi
Khaira-Strome-xxx
Upshall-Brodziak-xxx
Lucic LW
Reider LW/RW
Kassian RW
Caggulia LW/C/RW
Rattie RW
Aberg LW/RW
Yamamoto LW/RW
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ChaoticOrange
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He’s still a good 4th liner. His issue is teams today would rather play younger homegrown guys. Most of our NHL upside prospects are a year away. He’s a good stopgap.
