Confirmed Trade: [EDM/DET] Andreas Athanasiou, Ryan Kuffner to Oilers for Sam Gagner (10%), 2020 2nd, 2021 2nd

[NextYear67]

It seems everyone has just forgotten that AA is trash

 

[Del Preston]

 

[PullHard]

Now we just need to convince Holland to take Helm @50% retention

 

[General Disarray]

Vancouver and Edmonton made their moves. Now we wait for Calgary.

 

[Oil Spill]

It seems everyone has just forgotten that AA is trash

A 25 year old 30 goal scorer last year, having a bad year on one of the worst teams in the modern era. Worth the chance he will bounce back.

 

[Paperbagofglory]

Character issues apparently, does not listen to coaches. Hes going to give Tippett a stroke.

 

[DakrSnooze]

I cringed when Detroit fans were calling AA a 30 goal player. Yes, he's done it once but overall his totals are nowhere near that clip. I won't change my stance now that he's an Oiler but I sure hope he proves me wrong. Overall I'm fine with the deal and think both sides came out okay.

 

[DakrSnooze]

@Paperbagofglory

According to who? The TSN panel were talking about how he's a good character guy in the locker room.

 

[Shaman464]

@Paperbagofglory

According to who? The TSN panel were talking about how he's a good character guy in the locker room.

Well, on the spectrum of reliability: His junior teams, well vetted journalists with inside sources, the fact that it was obvious that Yzerman wanted nothing to do with him long term, and people on this border with connects to the org. Hell, even today a tweet from a verified source flat out said AA is only looking out for AA.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

A line of AA-McDavid-Kassian would be a killer line. Again, so is RNH-Draisaitl-Yamamoto.

 

[Shaman464]

A line of AA-McDavid-Kassian would be a killer line. Again, so is RNH-Draisaitl-Yamamoto.

The only question is would they be able to score more goals for than allow goals against.

 

[Shaman464]

A line of AA-McDavid-Kassian would be a killer line. Again, so is RNH-Draisaitl-Yamamoto.

Double post delete.

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[TomasHertlsRooster]

Which one is right?

Well, Micah McCurdy's player isolate model is extremely skewed towards forwards. He fails to acknowledge this when he posts the results of his model.

About a month ago, I took a look at all of the forwards who had 500 minutes played at 5V5 over the past two seasons, who had played at least a few games this season. The mean forward impact was +7.6% on offense and -6.7% on defense, and the median net impact was +14.5%. Out of the 401 forwards who made the cut, Athanasiou's net impact of +9.5% ranked 267th. So, even by this guy's model, he's a 3rd/4th liner.

And if you look at the raw numbers for his team with and without him, he flat out makes them worse, which makes it much harder to reconcile McCurdy's opinion.

Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick

 

[Mr Tadakichi]

*taps glass with spoon*

Ahem, attention everyone. I have an announcement to make!

If the servers on this site would stay stable for a second, I would just like to say one thing!

Dicks.

That is all.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Edmonton thinks they got a steal

I’ll gladly take more picks we can use to move up

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Cant be upset at acquiring a 30 goal scorer and not giving up a 1st round pick.

W..what? I thought everyone was telling us his 39 goal scoring season was a fluke?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Well, Micah McCurdy's player isolate model is extremely skewed towards forwards. He fails to acknowledge this when he posts the results of his model.

About a month ago, I took a look at all of the forwards who had 500 minutes played at 5V5 over the past two seasons, who had played at least a few games this season. The mean forward impact was +7.6% on offense and -6.7% on defense, and the median net impact was +14.5%. Out of the 401 forwards who made the cut, Athanasiou's net impact of +9.5% ranked 267th. So, even by this guy's model, he's a 3rd/4th liner.

And if you look at the raw numbers for his team with and without him, he flat out makes them worse, which makes it much harder to reconcile McCurdy's opinion.

Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick

this just proves you can make stats look any way you like

 

[DakrSnooze]

Well, on the spectrum of reliability: His junior teams, well vetted journalists with inside sources, the fact that it was obvious that Yzerman wanted nothing to do with him long term, and people on this border with connects to the org. Hell, even today a tweet from a verified source flat out said AA is only looking out for AA.

Not saying you're wrong but I'll play the wait and see game before rushing to a conclusion.

 

[raymond23]

I really hope AA does well in Edmonton.

The idea of putting him with McDavid is kind of odd tho. Sure he's fast but the consistent knock on AA is that he struggles to utilize teammates and his effort level/attentiveness lacks sometimes. Maybe it works out but I'm pretty skeptical

 

[Shaman464]

Not saying you're wrong but I'll play the wait and see game before rushing to a conclusion.

If a decade of him having issues with coaches, other players, and even threatening to bolt to Russia doesn't tell you something, nothing will.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

this just proves you can make stats look any way you like

I mean, his historically bad team is notably worse when he is on the ice. Why don't you go ahead and try to make that look good?

 

[Sempiternal]

Edmonton thinks they got a steal

I’ll gladly take more picks we can use to move up

Go back to your side of the tracks before you shoot yourself in the leg again Cheddar Bob.

 

[winnipegger]

This is fantastic for the Oilers. They may be setting themselves up to run through the Pacific Division this April/May. McDavid and Drai should be wrapped in bubble wrap and placed on a shelf as soon as they clinch.

 

[DakrSnooze]

If a decade of him having issues with coaches, other players, and even threatening to bolt to Russia doesn't tell you something, nothing will.

Sometimes being traded can bring a fresh dose of reality. Like I said, I'll wait and see.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I mean, his historically bad team is notably worse when he is on the ice. Why don't you go ahead and try to make that look good?

except Micah says he's a strong driver of offense with good shot differential...who's right?