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Thornton is useless, but Spezza still brings a tonne of value.
He just picked the wrong team to take a discount for if he wants to win.
Confirmed Trade: [EDM/CHI] Duncan Keith and Tim Soderlund for Caleb Jones and Conditional 2nd/3rd round pick
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Thornton is useless, but Spezza still brings a tonne of value.
He just picked the wrong team to take a discount for if he wants to win.
Bowman had no pressure to trade keith . Keith decided to waive his nmc so he could be closer to his son. Stan had no intentions on moving keith but was willing to try and make his request work for all parties.
Edmonton had no leverage over chicago, remember Edmonton is going to lose p,ayers in the expansion and your top defenseman is out for the season . Keith is still a top 4 defenseman with lots of knowledge and experience plus a winning attitude and is in great shape . You won't find a defenseman with Keith's pedigree in free agency or for 5.5 million. Sure you can get a bottom 6 guy for a cool million or 2 but in the end they want a guy who brings leadership to the locker room to help guys like drais,, and McDavid
Edmonton had all the leverage. They don't NEED Keith. Keith want's out of chicago. If Chicago waited and nobody dealt for him, they potentially would have to consider buying him out and Edmonton could have signed him for cheap.
Edmonton had ALL the leverage. Holland used NONE of it.
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How the hell does Edm give a 3rd in this trade without getting retention? Such a waste of cap space for a team that hasn’t had that in awhile.
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He should sign kevin Lowe. There's a guy that knows a thing or two about winning!
Don't believe everything these talking heads put out there. Keith wanted to be closer to his son, stan was willing to try and make a deal that benefitted all parties however he wasn't going to move keith just for Keith's sake if it didn't work. Edmonton had no leverage, your top guy is out for the season plus with the expansion draft your going to lose players and free agency isn't going to get you a guy with Keith's pedigree for 5.5. It's either a number 6 guy for 2 to 3 million or 8 plus million for a guy like Hamilton.
Caleb Jones isn't a loss for Edmonton,
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Leafs should have gotten a 1st for trading away Marleau now that I think about it.
0% chance seattle is taking Keith in the expansion. Why on earth would they piss away 5+m in cap space for a player with next to no value?
It’s shocking how poorly Holland did here.
Everyone knew that Keith was only going to Edmonton and still Holland got bent over.
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If this is true...yikes. If your owner cares more about the bottom line than winning...McDavid should ask for a trade tomorrow.
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Several references to articles.
Before exchange.
Analyzing how impactful Duncan Keith could be on a new team
After exchanging.
Hip to hate Oilers' Keith deal, but the veteran defenceman can still play
https://thehockeywriters.com/blackhawks-retain-no-salary-duncan-keith-oilers-trade/
https://nhltradetalk.com/holland-argues-fair-price-in-duncan-keith-trade/
I think Edmonton got a good player.
I think Edmonton concluded a bad deal.
Before exchange.
Analyzing how impactful Duncan Keith could be on a new team
After exchanging.
Hip to hate Oilers' Keith deal, but the veteran defenceman can still play
https://thehockeywriters.com/blackhawks-retain-no-salary-duncan-keith-oilers-trade/
https://nhltradetalk.com/holland-argues-fair-price-in-duncan-keith-trade/
I think Edmonton got a good player.
I think Edmonton concluded a bad deal.
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I would not had made a deal without big retention of salery. Very concerned that we have to address weakness with our limited cap space. Much higher priorities then this.
We paid a lot to have a good G.M., better then this deal and a couple others (AA). I'm now disappointed in Ken.
We paid a lot to have a good G.M., better then this deal and a couple others (AA). I'm now disappointed in Ken.
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You should work for the Oilers PR department or replace Mark Spector.
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Good wheels and no hands with Soderlund. Typical signing by Ken.
We made a mistake with yet another Manger.
We made a mistake with yet another Manger.
1) The deal did not have to be made. It's not like it was Keith or nothing. Sure Hamilton at 8million for a bajillion years also isn't a great option, but there are MANY options on the table. Free agency HASN'T EVEN STARTED. Holland didn't even entertain that as an option.
2) He had NO urgency to make this trade. Why not wait it out ? Did he have to make this deal on July 12th?
3) What's worse, lose Jones to Seattle for nothing? Or lose him along with a pick for 5.5 million cap hit. Some would argue the latter is worse. Pedigree isn't enough... you need a player that can play and even if Keith isn't done yet he isn't what he used to be and doesn't sound like he's close to being worth 5.5.
Even if that didn't happen, they didn't have to trade for him. There were several other ways to use that 5.5 million in cap space.
The problem is he didn't even wait it out to put pressure on the Blackhawks. He just caved within one week...
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Who cares about pedigree when the team isn't close to contending nor has the cap space to address major holes in the roster?
We'd have been better off signing a Murray/Savard and another player in UFA with that money. We have no depth and gave assets for a 38 yr LD who at best is a #4 this season and has risk of falling off a cliff, even behind Nurse with Kris Russell there to pickup the slack and only Bear and Bouchard currently signed for RD. This move sucked. I say this even though I was hoping Seattle took Jones. Now we have to lose another player, maybe Benson, maybe Klefbom. Either Klef plays and we lost a top 4 D or he doesn't and Seattle would be able to trade him for the LTIR space as we've seen teams weaponize this. Where's the upside? Honestly.
Even worse he is now Keith is where he wants to be with a NMC and has to be protected so Larsson 100% will be available for UFA, zero chance Holland retains him prior to expansion. If someone like Toronto offers him 5x5 say goodbye to any hope he signs the rumoured 3.75x4. Someone said maybe Keith waives for the expansion draft, can you image if he did and is claimed and instead of just losing Jones Holland lost another pick on top? F#$% this joke of a management team. There was ZERO reason to do this trade prior to the expansion draft and even less reason to do it without any retention on Keith's contract.
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Well it was with Larsson instead of Keith this year, all while missing Kelfbom
I like the part when Kenny compares Keith to Chris Chelios. Yes Ken, all great dmen play until they're 48.. lol
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