Post-Game Talk: ECQF 5 | FLYERS (3) vs. Canadiens (5) | Wedn., Aug. 19, 2020 | Flyers lead series 3-2

[Hollywood Cannon]

Go check the numbers for Giroux without Couts the last two seasons, they're butt ugly.
Better this past season, really bad two years ago, really bad in the playoffs.

Don't screw with a good thing, especially when Giroux can't play center and there isn't another center he should be playing with.

Like the time that Hak broke up the first line after they dominated together heading into the playoffs by putting Raffl on the first line because he was heavy?

Without looking back to confirm, that seems like something you would have defended back then.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Go check the numbers for Giroux without Couts the last two seasons, they're butt ugly.
Better this past season, really bad two years ago, really bad in the playoffs.

Don't screw with a good thing, especially when Giroux can't play center and there isn't another center he should be playing with.

So...better this season, and good now. What's the problem?

We are talking about the here and now. Why do you guys keep pulling stuff from 3 years ago in reference to the immediate now?

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Screw “trying to get [struggling] players going.” It’s game 6 of the playoffs. There’s no time for that.

Also, LOL at those who think the team will be better off without Niskanen. He may not be at his best, but he’s playing extremely difficult first-pair minutes & still making important plays. Plus, without him you have to mix up the d-pairs, & that’s not ideal.

I do agree I’d move Giroux back with Couturier & Voracek.
Maybe move Laughton to 3C & Grant to 4L.
Probably JVR in for Bunnaman, & on 3L.

You know it's getting ugly when he is dropping his contrarian bullshit act.

Couts is great, I see no flaws in the lineup. The cup should be a lock.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Like the time that Hak broke up the first line after they dominated together heading into the playoffs by putting Raffl on the first line because he was heavy?

Without looking back to confirm, that seems like something you would have defended back then.

You see, that kind of thing doesn't matter.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Screw “trying to get [struggling] players going.” It’s game 6 of the playoffs. There’s no time for that.

Also, LOL at those who think the team will be better off without Niskanen. He may not be at his best, but he’s playing extremely difficult first-pair minutes & still making important plays. Plus, without him you have to mix up the d-pairs, & that’s not ideal.

I do agree I’d move Giroux back with Couturier & Voracek.
Maybe move Laughton to 3C & Grant to 4L.
Probably JVR in for Bunnaman, & on 3L.

Niskanen is making plays that are important and beneficial for Montreal. He's getting completely caved in. He's been a disaster and hasn't shown even a hint of improvement going back to the round robin.

 

[Striiker]

Like the time that Hak broke up the first line after they dominated together heading into the playoffs by putting Raffl on the first line because he was heavy?

Without looking back to confirm, that seems like something you would have defended back then.

I've mastered the search feature.

 

[achdumeingute]

yikes that scares me lol but grant is pretty responsible.

g-couts-voracek
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jvr-laughton-raffl
grant-thompson-pitlick

tbh thats not that bad...we all know he ain't taking out thompson so might as well just do this and have 3 good lines instead of just two.

I would rather see Giroux at center of the 3rd line than Laughton. (Or frost.)

Laughton has demonstrated time and time again he's not even a 4c. He's a LW or not here.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Lol. Oh Bill.

is he really defending that decision to send the 4th line out after a momentum changing PPG. You cannot defend that. I like a lot of what this staff has done this year but that right there was mind bogglingly stupid.
AV shares the blame with several other players who were ass last night. I am not even worrying about Hart. Last night was the first game in a long time where it looked like he was fighting it. He will be fine going forward.
I don’t mind this vile hatred in this series now. We need the hate. Reckless sticks, dirty hits we have everything

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Striiker]

And yet people were screaming that he was invisible and should be benched when he was buried with the 4th liners, like Giroux currently is.

 

[Striiker]

Serious question: is Voracek the most under-appreciated Flyer of the past decade?

I think he'd probably have to be... Nobody else is coming to mind. Giroux and Ghost are also extremely under-appreciated, but Jake might take the cake.

I can't believe how often we have to defend this guy.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I've mastered the search feature.

As the great Jon Taffer would say: “I embrace solutions, not excuses”.

 

[AdamParrot]

I've mastered the search feature.

Typical deadhead, lmao.

 

[AdamParrot]

Serious question: is Voracek the most under-appreciated Flyer of the past decade?

I think he'd probably have to be... Nobody else is coming to mind. Giroux and Ghost are also extremely under-appreciated, but Jake might take the cake.

I can't believe how often we have to defend this guy.

More sad that he is so under-appreciated between Czech fans too. Unbelievable.

 

[Striiker]

More sad that he is so under-appreciated between Czech fans too. Unbelievable.

Really? I thought he was a really big name back home...

 

[AdamParrot]

Really? I thought he was a really big name back home...

So under-appreciated when he is in the NHL. A lot of Czech fans think that he is so overrated, overpayed and more. Brutal. Typical Czech fans which look at goals, assists and +/- stats only. Awful.

But a lot of them critize Necas too for example. They just dont know context, just only main stats.

 

[achdumeingute]

Serious question: is Voracek the most under-appreciated Flyer of the past decade?

I think he'd probably have to be... Nobody else is coming to mind. Giroux and Ghost are also extremely under-appreciated, but Jake might take the cake.

I can't believe how often we have to defend this guy.

he's streaky, more of an assist guy, and doesn't "look" like he's trying alot (Jeff Carter syndrome). I certainly don't think he's lazy. He's a very good player.

He played great last night, very agressive. He doesn't play with that intensity most nights. If he did, he's be a top 10 NHL forward. It's frustrating.

 

[Striiker]

he's streaky, more of an assist guy, and doesn't "look" like he's trying alot (Jeff Carter syndrome). I certainly don't think he's lazy. He's a very good player.

He played great last night, very agressive. He doesn't play with that intensity most nights. If he did, he's be a top 10 NHL forward. It's frustrating.

I don't agree that intensity is the problem. I just think people see poor results and jump straight to that as the conclusion. Same as during this series before he was freed from 4th line purgatory.

 

[achdumeingute]

I don't agree that intensity is the problem. I just think people see poor results and jump straight to that as the conclusion. Same as during this series before he was freed from 4th line purgatory.

jake looks like a "floater" alot. JVR get the same rap, I think he's more of a floater, but still not "lazy". Both of them appear to be "perimeter" players. With their size...I think people wished they appeared to drive the net more. Both of them are average/average plus skaters...so you don't see them beating people much.

Jake reminds me of Jagr so much in playstyle/body shape...except for the shot, and Jagr just went through people. He was built like a tank, you could not move him if he was determined.

 

[achdumeingute]

I don't agree that intensity is the problem. I just think people see poor results and jump straight to that as the conclusion. Same as during this series before he was freed from 4th line purgatory.

Jake's intensity level stikes me as a guy who wants to win, not hates to lose.

The hates to lose people are competitive to the bone with everything, and won't be out worked, out "anythinged". Giroux strikes me this way...

 

[deadhead]

I've mastered the search feature.

Gee, same situation, same strategy.
Try to bolster 3 lines instead of depending on 1.
Notice I didn't expect it to work then, nor do I expect it to work now.

 

[Adtar02]

Serious question: is Voracek the most under-appreciated Flyer of the past decade?

I think he'd probably have to be... Nobody else is coming to mind. Giroux and Ghost are also extremely under-appreciated, but Jake might take the cake.

I can't believe how often we have to defend this guy.

I would think that title goes to one of Hagg, VDV, lehtera, Thompson or grant.

do I need a sarcasm emoji or is it thick enough

 

[Striiker]

I would think that title goes to one of Hagg, VDV, lehtera, Thompson or grant.

do I need a sarcasm emoji or is it thick enough

 

[FLYERSFAN18]

Gee, same situation, same strategy.
Try to bolster 3 lines instead of depending on 1.
Notice I didn't expect it to work then, nor do I expect it to work now.

It didn’t work then, you don’t expect it to work now but you defend it blindly anyway

 

[Adtar02]

what's this nine eleven thing