That's just not true. Stome has played nearly 45% of his total ES minutes this season with Kane and that's including the first 20 games when he wasn't even on the team. Kane and Debrincat are by far his most common linemates at ES this season.
Strome also had basically either none or next to no production at the NHL level at all at the same age as Patrick so....
I mean you can check the lineups, since well before the all star break Kane has been on a line with Caggiula and Toews. Kane also gets doubleshifted when we need a goal, but usually if hes doubleshifted it is with the 4th line. Since the kampf injury and before the all star break heres what the top 9 usually has been
That's all fine and probably true but it doesn't change the fact that when Strome has been on the ice at even strength (not including on the PP as you mention) his most common linemates have been Kane and Debrincat and it's not really close with anyone else.
Why do you guys keep saying this when it's not true? There are a handful of websites that calculate how many minutes each player plays with each teammate. Do facts and statistics no longer matter around here? Are we really going to claims the eye test on time on ice? He might not be on a line with him right now but it's a 100% fact that Strome has played more minutes at even strength with Kane and Debrincat than anyone else this season and it's really not close to the next linemate.
He hasn't played with Kane regularly since early January. He did play with Kane when he first got traded. The point is that when he played with Kane he wasn't playing with DeBrincat, and now he's playing with DeBrincat and not Kane. Also, dude has been playing better WITHOUT Kane. Occasionally he's out there with kane for 10-15 seconds during a line change.
I guess I'm just having trouble understanding the math to figure out how it's possible for Strome to play nearly 45% of his total minutes at ES this season with Kane during a 20-22 game stretch of the 59 games he's played this season.
Like I said, 45% is about accurate. He played his first 5 weeks with Kane and his last 6 with DeBrincat. The point we're trying to make though is that most of his production came without Kane as a linemate.
I'm still struggling to understand how someone can play 45% of their minutes with one player during a 33% stretch of the season. I'm not talking about 45% of his time with Chicago, I'm talking about 45% of his total ES ice time this season. The only way that could have been possible would be if he played nearly every second with Kane during those 20 games and then saw a huge decrease in ES time which hasn't happened.
It is because he was only getting 6-7 mins a game with Arizona, and there was about a week or so when he was playing with both of them, before they moved Kane up to Toews' wing.
No he wasn't. I don't know why people make things up that are so easily debunked. Strome was playing 11:03 a game at ES with Arizona and he's played 14:16 with Chicago. That's roughly 220 minutes in AZ and 555 minutes in Chicago. About 350 of those 555 minutes have been with Kane (63% of his ES TOI while in Chicago).
Maybe you have bad info. I've been watching the games dude. He hasn't played with Kane consistently at even strength since about mid-January. I think you're mistaken in your interpretation. If he's been playing 45% of even strength time since being traded to the Hawks with Kane, that is believable. For the entire season it is impossible. Either your info is wrong or you're misinterpreting it.
I just looked into it and he's correct. Stromes most common linemates are by far Kane and DeBrincat
Yes, he's played with one of them the whole time he's been here. What I'm saying is that Kane hasn't been on his line in at least 5 weeks. He's been playing with DeBrincat and Kahun since at least mid-January. Occasionally toward the end of games if the Hawks are trailing, Kane gets double shifted in place of Kahun. Strome has played more minutes without Kane than he has with. It would be 50/50 at best in terms of them playing together.
I'm sorry but if this conversation is moving into the realm of believing your memory over hard facts and statistics then I don't know where we can go from here. The numbers include players like Crouse and Cousins so unless those guys play for Chicago, no I'm not wrong and I'm not misinterpreting anything. You're wrong and you're believing your memory over actual statistics which is not only naive but it's hilarious that you actually wrote that, read it back to yourself, and hit reply thinking it was a good rebuttal.
Linemates do play a role in how good of an opportunity a player has to succeed so it's relevant to the conversation to get an idea who each players plays with. I have not seen one post of anyone minimizing Strome or crediting his linemates for his success. Can you please quote someone who said that?
I mean obviously linemates play a role in point production but they’re not the end all be all and people spend way too much time arguing about it. You still have to be a damn good player to put up points with other high end players. Schmaltz was stapled to Kane’s hip before the Strome trade and diddnt put up shit (2g 11pts in 23 games).
I 100% agree. Linemates do not guarantee success but if someone is playing with two 4th liners and not producing it's a little easier to understand. You can put a turd on a golden platter and it's still going to stink.
