Dundon Needs to buy the Checkers. At any cost.

[tarheelhockey]

I thought the rumors of them moving down were due to cost of travel as Charlotte is quite isolated geographically from other AHL teams. If they go to ECHL, there are a lot more teams within bussing distance in that league. Isn't that part of the reason that Charlotte didn't play during the COVID year where there were no fans allowed?

wut?

Charlotte's average opponent distance is 668 miles
In the ECHL it would be 346 miles.

Estero, FL would the longest distance and there are 4 AHL opponents are farther than that. Orlando is the next farthest and hershey (the closest AHL team) is only 30 miles closer.

charlotte is at a pretty big disadvantage with teams no closer than Hershey and Wilkes-Barre, PA.

Charlotte’s geographic situation isn’t ideal, but it’s also not nearly as bad as some other AHL teams. Back in the mid-2010 they were screwed by nonsensically playing in the Central Division, but that hasn’t been the case for like 5 years now. Their road trips are mostly medium-range by minor league standards.

Look at Greenville’s schedule. They’re still traveling to Florida for like half their road games. At that point it’s either a flight or a long/awful bus trip. If you’re flying, be it to Florida or Chicago, it’s expensive no matter how you slice it. If you’re busing, you’re getting what you pay for. I’m guessing Greenville takes the bus because ECHL teams don’t have the capital for that many flights.

The ECHL limps along for a reason. How much money do you think those teams are getting from their NHL affiliates? How much profit do you think they really make? Whereas AHL teams are being purchased left and right by their parent clubs. It’s not hard to guess at what the financial margins look like between the two leagues.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Charlotte’s geographic situation isn’t ideal, but it’s also not nearly as bad as some other AHL teams. Back in the mid-2010 they were screwed by nonsensically playing in the Central Division, but that hasn’t been the case for like 5 years now. Their road trips are mostly medium-range by minor league standards.

Look at Greenville’s schedule. They’re still traveling to Florida for like half their road games. At that point it’s either a flight or a long/awful bus trip. If you’re flying, be it to Florida or Chicago, it’s expensive no matter how you slice it. If you’re busing, you’re getting what you pay for. I’m guessing Greenville takes the bus because ECHL teams don’t have the capital for that many flights.

The ECHL limps along for a reason. How much money do you think those teams are getting from their NHL affiliates? How much profit do you think they really make? Whereas AHL teams are being purchased left and right by their parent clubs. It’s not hard to guess at what the financial margins look like between the two leagues.

ECHL 2022-23 team attendance at hockeydb.com

Attendance for the ECHL for the 2022-23 season

www.hockeydb.com

echl attendance are about on par with the ahl

 

[WreckingCrew]

I thought the rumors of them moving down were due to cost of travel as Charlotte is quite isolated geographically from other AHL teams. If they go to ECHL, there are a lot more teams within bussing distance in that league. Isn't that part of the reason that Charlotte didn't play during the COVID year where there were no fans allowed?

Pretty much...travel costs are so high for the team that even with top 10 attendance they probably struggle to turn a big profit...hence asking more money/assistance from TD. Makes sense if you can't have fans in the stands and you're already struggling to make money that you sit out that season. Closest team WAS Norfolk, now it's Hershey. It made sense when they jumped up to the AHL bc proximity to the Canes, and at the time the ECHL was on the brink of collapse due to the WCHL merger really killing teams travel and spreading them out (prior to that there were like 10+ teams between NC, VA, SC, GA, FL)

 

[tarheelhockey]

ECHL 2022-23 team attendance at hockeydb.com

Attendance for the ECHL for the 2022-23 season

www.hockeydb.com

echl attendance are about on par with the ahl

At what price point?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

At what price point?

Looking at glass seats for Charlotte and the Swamp Rabbits.

CLT 55 a game
GSR 30 a game

900 difference per ticket during the season

 

[CandyCanes]

Bring back the Lowell Lock Monsters

Or the New Haven Beasts

 

[Chrispy]

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Bring back the Lowell Lock Monsters

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Or the New Haven Beasts

If you do ANYTHING in New Haven it's the Nighthawks.

AND we riot.

 

[Lempo]

If you do ANYTHING in New Haven it's the Nighthawks.

AND we riot.

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

If you do ANYTHING in New Haven it's the Nighthawks.

AND we riot.

I always considered them more a D.C. band. Much fun in clubs.

 

[HisIceness]

Did the OP seriously suggest that Dundon should make up rumors about Khan?

Let's see, potentially losing the franchise, lawsuits, bad publicity, and frankly it's morally and ethically wrong. But yeah, he should totally make up bogus nonsense.

 

[Svechhammer]

Did the OP seriously suggest that Dundon should make up rumors about Khan?

Let's see, potentially losing the franchise, lawsuits, bad publicity, and frankly it's morally and ethically wrong. But yeah, he should totally make up bogus nonsense.

Are you saying that potentially losing $1billion+ in potential future earnings (assuming ROI on 20+ years of ownership) isn't worth the gaines he'll see by acquiring the Checkers in nefarious ways?

 

[hockeynjune]

Are you saying that potentially losing $1billion+ in potential future earnings (assuming ROI on 20+ years of ownership) isn't worth the gaines he'll see by acquiring the Checkers in nefarious ways?

Defamation cases cost big money now. Really bad plan.

 

[Svechhammer]

Defamation cases cost big money now. Really bad plan.

Ahh I see

So would you say would potentially be asinine and immoral to go down such path?

 

[Navin R Slavin]

CYNICAPS BIG ADVENTURE, SCENE 23

BBA: I say we kill him

HF26: YEAHHHH

HisIceness: I say we hang him, then we kill him

HF26: YEAHHHH

Hank: I say we stomp him, then we tattoo him, then we hang him, then we kill him

HF26: YEEAHHHHH

Negan: I say we let him go

HF26: NOOOOOO

 

[hockeynjune]

Ahh I see

So would you say would potentially be asinine and immoral to go down such path?

There is recent precedent your honor , on both counts

 

[Negan4Coach]

No, because plenty of people have said that and not been jumped on. He got jumped on because of his hyperbolic and absurd overreaction, which he has since doubled down on by proposing a misinformation campaign against the Checkers owner. But again: feel free to focus on the wrong thing and get all mad about it.

Yeah, I'm all "mad" because you're busting somebody else's balls for a change. Just pointing it out. But you keep doing your little policing of how others express themselves, it's cute.

How about this- it's DISGUSTING that they don't have an AHL affiliation?

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Yeah, I'm all "mad" because you're busting somebody else's balls for a change. Just pointing it out. But you keep doing your little policing of how others express themselves, it's cute.

How about this- it's DISGUSTING that they don't have an AHL affiliation?

You can't even take a little light ribbing anymore? Well, ok. Sorry to have offended you.

 

[syracuse blazers]

The most logical would be the charlotte checkers that makes clearly the most logical choice
above everything else simply because
1 Closes ahl city to Raleigh NC
2 Easy call ups
3 Charlotte fans could support the Hurricanes as it should be...

4 This should have been done a long long time ago
5 Consistent with other nhl owned teams that have their ahl affiliate close to home
This should be a no brainer...period
Then again what makes perfect sense seldom works out that way...

 

[Borsig]

I lived in charlotte when they were AHL. (Well, close anyway, no one with any sense wants to live IN charlotte, I lived in the next county over). The Biscuit is aging but decent. Tghe uptown joint is where they were for a spell. You'd have to promote the team from the ECHL again tho.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I lived in charlotte when they were AHL. (Well, close anyway, no one with any sense wants to live IN charlotte, I lived in the next county over). The Biscuit is aging but decent. Tghe uptown joint is where they were for a spell. You'd have to promote the team from the ECHL again tho.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding your post, but Charlotte is currently AHL.

 

[Chrispy]

The most logical would be the charlotte checkers that makes clearly the most logical choice
above everything else simply because
1 Closes ahl city to Raleigh NC
2 Easy call ups
3 Charlotte fans could support the Hurricanes as it should be...

4 This should have been done a long long time ago
5 Consistent with other nhl owned teams that have their ahl affiliate close to home
This should be a no brainer...period
Then again what makes perfect sense seldom works out that way...

The remaining twofold question:
1) Does Kahn want to sell?
2) Does Kahn want to sell to Dundon?

Even if #1 is true, was the divorce ugly enough to prevent #2? No idea.

It would be great to get the AHL affiliate closer to Raleigh, especially for better management of development and ease of call-ups. But if the AHL affiliate that's available is elsewhere, they can handle a plane flight for a short-term or medium-term until they put their purchase elsewhere (Greensboro? Richmond? Norfolk? Columbia?)

 

[Navin R Slavin]

The most logical would be the charlotte checkers that makes clearly the most logical choice
above everything else simply because
1 Closes ahl city to Raleigh NC
2 Easy call ups
3 Charlotte fans could support the Hurricanes as it should be...

4 This should have been done a long long time ago
5 Consistent with other nhl owned teams that have their ahl affiliate close to home
This should be a no brainer...period
Then again what makes perfect sense seldom works out that way...

So. Dundon definitely buying the Crunch, then? Because I don't know why this post happens otherwise.

 

[Svechhammer]

The remaining twofold question:
1) Does Kahn want to sell?
2) Does Kahn want to sell to Dundon?

Even if #1 is true, was the divorce ugly enough to prevent #2? No idea.

It would be great to get the AHL affiliate closer to Raleigh, especially for better management of development and ease of call-ups. But if the AHL affiliate that's available is elsewhere, they can handle a plane flight for a short-term or medium-term until they put their purchase elsewhere (Greensboro? Richmond? Norfolk? Columbia?)

At the end of the day, we just need an affiliate, and it really doesn't matter where it is. Quite frankly, we really don't need an affiliate in NC or SC. It would be great, but it just saturates the market, and if you're looking at it from a pure business standpoint, you can probably grow the base a bit by putting it somewhere else and getting a pocket of fans to bandwagon onto the Canes as at least their 2nd team, much like how the Rays aren't exactly hated in the Triangle

 

[WreckingCrew]

At the end of the day, we just need an affiliate, and it really doesn't matter where it is. Quite frankly, we really don't need an affiliate in NC or SC. It would be great, but it just saturates the market, and if you're looking at it from a pure business standpoint, you can probably grow the base a bit by putting it somewhere else and getting a pocket of fans to bandwagon onto the Canes as at least their 2nd team, much like how the Rays aren't exactly hated in the Triangle

Disagree, it doesn't saturate the market at all, from my experience it actually strengthens it because you have fans who get to see that development and can feasibly go to both. You get Canes fans in Charlotte who want to see the youngsters/prospects, and vice versa in Raleigh. I promise that no Checkers fans currently give 2 shits about Florida Panthers other than who they're providing us...nobody is going to bandwagon another NHL team because they feed the AHL team...at least not more than a negligible amount.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

So we have a long break between games and THIS is the debate we decided to resurrect?