Dundon Needs to buy the Checkers. At any cost.

Nikishin Go Boom

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Disagree, it doesn't saturate the market at all, from my experience it actually strengthens it because you have fans who get to see that development and can feasibly go to both. You get Canes fans in Charlotte who want to see the youngsters/prospects, and vice versa in Raleigh. I promise that no Checkers fans currently give 2 shits about Florida Panthers other than who they're providing us...nobody is going to bandwagon another NHL team because they feed the AHL team...at least not more than a negligible amount.
I don’t think there is anything that says having charlotte as our affiliate improved the canes market share in Charlotte. Charlotte generally doesn’t care about the canes.

Canes fans in Charlotte are going to watch the games anyways. Checkers, while not caring about Florida, still has a good attendance percentage. Making the players canes prospects can’t have a huge impact on the high attendance numbers.

We need to find the best situation of likely attendance numbers coupled with low business costs (i.e travel to opponents). A player or two being able to drive to Raleigh vs flying is peanuts comparing to moving an entire team and its equipment for games
 

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I don’t think there is anything that says having charlotte as our affiliate improved the canes market share in Charlotte. Charlotte generally doesn’t care about the canes.

Canes fans in Charlotte are going to watch the games anyways. Checkers, while not caring about Florida, still has a good attendance percentage. Making the players canes prospects can’t have a huge impact on the high attendance numbers.

We need to find the best situation of likely attendance numbers coupled with low business costs (i.e travel to opponents). A player or two being able to drive to Raleigh vs flying is peanuts comparing to moving an entire team and its equipment for games
That's the part I don't think was considered with Charlotte; the travel cost for the AHL overall. Maybe they thought being in a hub airport city would make it easier to fly nationwide.

But I can see the allure of being more centrally located within the AHL and just dealing with charter flights or a personal jet for the rare emergency callup. And if you own the team, then you have control of the development no matter how close you are geographically.
 
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Nikishin Go Boom

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That's the part I don't think was considered with Charlotte; the travel cost for the AHL overall. Maybe they thought being in a hub airport city would make it easier to fly nationwide.

But I can see the allure of being more centrally located within the AHL and just dealing with charter flights or a personal jet for the rare emergency callup. And if you own the team, then you have control of the development no matter how close you are geographically.
Just going off memory, the checkers two closest opponents are Wilkes Barre and Hershey which are right around 500 miles away. So they have to fly to Charlotte and then bus from the nearest airport to the game.

Charlotte’s high attendance numbers and the AHL’s travel schedule have to be why Charlotte can maintain a team.

By comparison, if charlotte decided to drop to ECHL they would only have 2 opponents farther away than their 2 closest opponents in the AHL. Huge travel difference.
 
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WE didn't resurrect it. It was a poster apparently from Syracuse.

It takes more than one person to have a conversation. You're all just as culpable as they are now.

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^ Also why Jack Hughes is currently my favorite name in hockey.
 

LakeLivin

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So we have a long break between games and THIS is the debate we decided to resurrect?

WE didn't resurrect it. It was a poster apparently from Syracuse.

There was discussion in the AHL and ECHL Affiliate thread about Canes buying a club and Syracuse was speculated as a possible target. So the poster from Syracuse isn't completely coming out of nowhere, just switched threads. But Syracuse's agreement with Tampa runs for a couple more years, so seems to me they should have already been ruled out.

Here's one of my random thoughts during the break: remind self to boycott any product that uses the phrase "it's a game changer" in one of it's commercials.
 

tarheelhockey

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I don’t think there is anything that says having charlotte as our affiliate improved the canes market share in Charlotte.

I would start with the question of how market share is being measured.

The effect on ticket sales, either in Charlotte or in Raleigh, is impossible to track. It comes down to individuals making purchases without any way to track their motivation. In any case, it wouldn’t be reasonable to expect ann increase of more than tens per game.

Same is likely true of jersey and merch sales — did the Canes sell more jerseys in the Charlotte market because of the affiliation? No idea.

One thing that can and probably has been tracked is TV ratings. Of course it would take a really sophisticated analysis to extract truly reliable conclusions on an affiliation-driven increase. There’s a lot of white noise in the data of TV ratings, everything from the current state of the Canes to opponent-driven effects to what else is on TV at a given time.

In all of the cases above, the thing that I see missing is a deliberate organized effort to capitalize on the affiliation. I think I recall an occasional Charlotte Night at PNC, where the focus was on the Panthers and Hornets. Once in a blue moon, the mascot Chubby would show up for Stormy’s birthday party. That was about it. There was no cross-promotion, no merch sold in the stores, no Canes billboards in Charlotte, and certainly not any preseason games which would have made all the sense in the world.

Given the lack of data available, and the lack of any visible effort to increase their share in the market, we don’t have much to go on when drawing conclusions about the marketing value of the affiliation. It was a marriage of convenience, and treated as such until it ceased to be convenient for the owners.
 

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But Syracuse's agreement with Tampa runs for a couple more years, so seems to me they should have already been ruled out.

Why? We already have prospects on AHL squads with other teams' prospects, why can't we purchase a team and still honor the contract in place until it is fulfilled and share the affiliation?
 
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DaveG

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So is there any new information that I missed to make these stories hot again? Or is it just spit balling?
Basically this from the STH event this past weekend:

Waddell said the team had a deal to purchase an AHL franchise in November that fell through when the owner backed out at the last minute. And they're working on something now and we should hear about it within 30 days.
And then this board doing what it does best: finding obscure information and extrapolate the ever living f*** out of it.
 

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