Value of: Dumba and Hanifin to Pittsburgh

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Analsysis of Wild: pretty soft down the center. They could use an upgrade/overhaul at that position. In terms of cap space, they have $10m with just Dumba to sign so instead of one player you've had problems negotiating a long term extension kill two birds with one stone. The Wild stay roughly the same at the blue line, vastly improve down the middle with a fringe 1st/2nd line center, and get some more competition with Pedan. Who I think will be a NHL defenseman. Assumption is you sign Brassard long-term, because he's the 1st/2nd center on the roster and he fits in that style of play.



PIT trades Derick Brassard, Justin Schultz, and Andrey Pedan to MIN for Mat Dumba


Analysis for Pens: Dumba is an improvement on Schultz. This improves the top 4 with a young dynamic puck-moving defenseman that will greatly help the transition game. Brassard is trading from an area of strength. To keep the window open as long as possible, you're going to need studs on the blue line. Dumba is a bonafide stud.

Mat Dumba signs for 4 years, $22.5m



Analysis of Flames: the Flames have a tight cap with five RFAs to sign with $12.8m to do it. Two of them will come in for a pretty penny. Sam Bennett is the Lonzo Ball in the room. The Lakeshow got all these guards and he's the odd man out. Bennett is the odd man out after the Flames added a few wingers. Plus, I'm sure they'd love to remove his salary and that's the plan all along. Just $2m but it helps in signing RFA. If the Flames get the blue line right they'll be Stanley Cup contenders.

The Flames do this because the thought of adding a player of Sprong's caliber would be tantalizing to them and the idea of a Gaudreau/Monahan/Sprong top line would be too much for them to pass up. Then you come back with Tkachuk/Jankowski/Lindholm on line two. Having James Neal as a Phil Kessel on line 3. Maatta is a solid 4/5th defenseman that will play 3rd pair. The 1st would be used to get hey maybe even a Justin Schultz at the trade deadline. Then the Flames would be a Cup contender. Don't like some of the sludge down the center for the Flames. So Blueger will help in that 4th line capacity as you work on moving out Troy Brouwer and players of his ilk. Blueger had 45 pts in 70 games at the AHL level and should come in around 13 goals a season. *2019 1st can be exercised this year or next year.


PIT trades Daniel Sprong, Olli Maatta, Teddy Blueger, 2019 1st* to CGY for Noah Hanifin and Sam Bennett


The analysis for the Pens is that I actually think Sam Bennett fits in quite nicely. He's a highly skilled, gritty player. Sound familiar? He'll never be a 30 goal guy but he fills a role and the Pens need LW more than RW. Noah Hanifin fits in with the theme of getting bonafide studs on the blue line that will help the top 4 for years to come. Hanifin will help with the transition game, which is another theme of these improvements for the Pens and will quell the Murray tears that he's a bum. The guy is simply a net clogger and the longer you spend in his zone and move him at your will the less nets he will clog


Hanifin comes in at 6 years, $40.5m ($6.75m AAV)
 

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Definitely don't think the Wild do that deal value wise. Dumba is significantly more valuable than Schultz and I don't think Brassard has enough value to bridge that gap.

For the Flames one, I think Maata is a significant step down from Hanifin and I'm not confident that Sprong is as good as he's being presented as. I'm not sure he's a first liner player at all let alone one who makes a hypothetical top line too good to pass up.
 
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Analsysis of Wild: pretty soft down the center. They could use an upgrade/overhaul at that position. In terms of cap space, they have $10m with just Dumba to sign so instead of one player you've had problems negotiating a long term extension kill two birds with one stone. The Wild stay roughly the same at the blue line, vastly improve down the middle with a fringe 1st/2nd line center, and get some more competition with Pedan. Who I think will be a NHL defenseman. Assumption is you sign Brassard long-term, because he's the 1st/2nd center on the roster and he fits in that style of play.



PIT trades Derick Brassard, Justin Schultz, and Andrey Pedan to MIN for Mat Dumba


Analysis for Pens: Dumba is an improvement on Schultz. This improves the top 4 with a young dynamic puck-moving defenseman that will greatly help the transition game. Brassard is trading from an area of strength. To keep the window open as long as possible, you're going to need studs on the blue line. Dumba is a bonafide stud.

Mat Dumba signs for 4 years, $22.5m



Analysis of Flames: the Flames have a tight cap with five RFAs to sign with $12.8m to do it. Two of them will come in for a pretty penny. Sam Bennett is the Lonzo Ball in the room. The Lakeshow got all these guards and he's the odd man out. Bennett is the odd man out after the Flames added a few wingers. Plus, I'm sure they'd love to remove his salary and that's the plan all along. Just $2m but it helps in signing RFA. If the Flames get the blue line right they'll be Stanley Cup contenders.

The Flames do this because the thought of adding a player of Sprong's caliber would be tantalizing to them and the idea of a Gaudreau/Monahan/Sprong top line would be too much for them to pass up. Then you come back with Tkachuk/Jankowski/Lindholm on line two. Having James Neal as a Phil Kessel on line 3. Maatta is a solid 4/5th defenseman that will play 3rd pair. The 1st would be used to get hey maybe even a Justin Schultz at the trade deadline. Then the Flames would be a Cup contender. Don't like some of the sludge down the center for the Flames. So Blueger will help in that 4th line capacity as you work on moving out Troy Brouwer and players of his ilk. Blueger had 45 pts in 70 games at the AHL level and should come in around 13 goals a season. *2019 1st can be exercised this year or next year.


PIT trades Daniel Sprong, Olli Maatta, Teddy Blueger, 2019 1st* to CGY for Noah Hanifin and Sam Bennett


The analysis for the Pens is that I actually think Sam Bennett fits in quite nicely. He's a highly skilled, gritty player. Sound familiar? He'll never be a 30 goal guy but he fills a role and the Pens need LW more than RW. Noah Hanifin fits in with the theme of getting bonafide studs on the blue line that will help the top 4 for years to come. Hanifin will help with the transition game, which is another theme of these improvements for the Pens and will quell the Murray tears that he's a bum. The guy is simply a net clogger and the longer you spend in his zone and move him at your will the less nets he will clog


Hanifin comes in at 6 years, $40.5m ($6.75m AAV)

You have to be more self aware than this. The Flames just traded for Hanifin. I know you thought this through for hours and it fits your "themes," but just take a minute to ponder whether your homer scenario could happen.
 

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I think the Wild deal would improve us in the short term, but really hurt us in the long term. No thanks.
 
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I think the Wild deal would improve us in the short term, but really hurt us in the long term. No thanks.
The fact that Dumba comfortably out-produced Brassard last year makes me think it makes us worse in the short-term as well. And I wouldn't count on Schutlz making up the difference.
 
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nstarjim

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Wild need right shot centers wingers, and defenseman. They also need to get younger. It's a big no on this one.
 

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the wild are not trading quality for quantity. they could use the oposite kind of trade, 3 of there good players for 1 great one
 

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Possibly the dumbest analysis of the Wild that I've seen on HF. You're dead wrong on just about every point that you try to hit on.
 
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You have to be more self aware than this. The Flames just traded for Hanifin. I know you thought this through for hours and it fits your "themes," but just take a minute to ponder whether your homer scenario could happen.

Look at who the poster is, then look at their other proposals. Just seeing who the OP was before even opening the thread I knew this was going to be terrible for the other teams.
 

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The fact that Dumba comfortably out-produced Brassard last year makes me think it makes us worse in the short-term as well. And I wouldn't count on Schutlz making up the difference.

4 points is "comfortably" ??

Honestly, I don't think that the pure value going to Minny is off at all - if anything in overall value, it's an overpayment. Schultz, despite what was seen as a lack of production last season, really improved his defensive game - to the point he was only on the ice for 4 GA in the POs (at ES). In the RS it was just as impressive with one of the lowest GA/60's on the team with 2.24. Then you add in Brassard...

I get why Minny fans are not interested in the deal - two older guys on expensive contracts with minimal team control left (1 + 2 years), vs a 24 yr old cheap productive player. I get it. But on pure value, that's a win for Minny. Anyway, I don't think either team would do it. Pittsburgh would want a quality center coming back, and Minny likely wants younger/cheaper players if they're moving someone like Dumba.
 

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The Wild stay roughly the same at the blue line, vastly improve down the middle with a fringe 1st/2nd line center, and get some more competition with Pedan.
IDK if you heard this, but he signed with Ak Bars 2 days ago.
 

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