Rumor: Ducks trying to unload a contract in order to re-sign Rakell/Lindholm

[liquiduck]

This is exactly what CGY did with ROR when they signed him to an OS...

And had Colorado not matched, that OS would have gone down as one of the stupidest moves of all time. That isn't news.

 

[TOGuy14]

And had Colorado not matched, that OS would have gone down as one of the stupidest moves of all time. That isn't news.

Considering the NHL has said that if Colorado didn't match ROR would need to clear waivers (and surely be claimed) while CGY lost the compensatory draft picks, I think we can safely say it is already one of the dumbest moves of all time, regardless of being matched or not.

 

[Noldo]

It's dumb because not only are you overpaying( by more than a mil I'm sure), but you aren't even buying up UFA years to offset that.

Yeah, but you are buying Lindholm, who currently is Ducks' property. There has tone some value in that?

 

[s7ark]

The OS compensation is calculated based off of the annual average of the contract, or the amount of the contract divided by 5 assuming the years offered is greater than 5. In that case, the average would be 9.3/year which should be greater compensation than two 1sts ++

It amazes me how often this needs to be said.

46.5 / 5 is 9.3M. Just under the 4 1sts compensation of above 9,388,080. Compensation for a 7y 46.5M deal would be 2 1sts a 2nd and a 3rd. I'd give up that for Lindholm easy.

 

[DavidBL]

Why is the 7X5 dumb? It's about a 1M over pay... not that big of a deal... For the Kings for example that would result in swapping King for Mersch to make up that difference. Some fans have been pushing for this anyways. Also if a team has about a 5 year window they're taking a shot at the cup at it could work just fine.

6X6 is probably around where the Ducks are trying to get, but they would have 1 week to move everything in time to get it done. Rushing trades hurts value.

7x5 is dumb because it sets a salary precedent. Just look at what Ekblads deal is doing to Lindholm negotiations. GMs aren't generally in the business of making their own lives harder. That is a dangerous escalation. especially for a 30 point all around D. While I love Lindholm he isn't worth 7 mill by any stretch of the imagination and overpaying him is telling the market that is what he is worth. He would be making firmly top 10 money among D. He just isn't that. He couldn't even get into the top 6 for his national team. He is a good player with plenty of potential to be great. His advanced stats have made him into some sort of deity among D on these boards and I just don't think it is fully justified.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Pretty sad because on Anaheim's internal cap, That Bob Murray can't get both Lindholm and Rakell resigned before the start of the season. Doesn't even sound like either deal is close on top of it.

 

[Trolfoli]

Yeah, but you are buying Lindholm, who currently is Ducks' property. There has tone some value in that?

Exactly. You're improving your team, while making the Ducks worse and to make up the cash you have to move a veteran depth guy off the 3rd/4th line and replace them with a call up from the AHL.

 

[Arthuros]

Just to clear up any lingering misconceptions, we effectively have no internal cap this season because of the ****-hole BM's landed us in with everyone's contracts.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Boston lost 2 d men already and their season hasn't even started yet they might have to step up with an offer for Fowler

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Boston lost 2 d men already and their season hasn't even started yet they might have to step up with an offer for Fowler

Spooner+Boston's 2017 2nd round pick for Cam Fowler. Only way i see it happening.

 

[haseoke39]

Just to clear up any lingering misconceptions, we effectively have no internal cap this season because of the ****-hole BM's landed us in with everyone's contracts.

Source?

 

[liquiduck]

7x5 is dumb because it sets a salary precedent. Just look at what Ekblads deal is doing to Lindholm negotiations. GMs aren't generally in the business of making their own lives harder. That is a dangerous escalation. especially for a 30 point all around D. While I love Lindholm he isn't worth 7 mill by any stretch of the imagination and overpaying him is telling the market that is what he is worth. He would be making firmly top 10 money among D. He just isn't that. He couldn't even get into the top 6 for his national team. He is a good player with plenty of potential to be great. His advanced stats have made him into some sort of deity among D on these boards and I just don't think it is fully justified.

Lindholm is overrated hard on these boards. He wasn't even Anaheims #1 last year, and we all know how much HF values fowler.

He's a very good young defensemen, but people are talking about making him a top 10. Unless his offensive game takes a huge step, he'll likely never be a top 10 defensemen. It's like HF boards thinks lindholm is the next doughty or something.

 

[liquiduck]

Source?

If we had an internal cap then both lindholm and rakell would have been dealt by now, and stoner wouldn't be in the ahl.

The issue is cap space, and Lindholm reportedly asking for Ekblad money.

 

[Arthuros]

Source?

Common sense.

Past few years, we've been 10% under the cap. This year, since it's been BM's goal to sign both of them, that would put us past that, and pretty much at the cap.

 

[4thline]

How much would Ducks fans be willing to add into a Stoner for Hunwick@50% swap.
That's
~2.65m in space freed up this year
3.25 next year

 

[wintersej]

Boston lost 2 d men already and their season hasn't even started yet they might have to step up with an offer for Fowler

Carlo was out playing both Kevan Miller and McQuaid and it was looking like McQuaid was headed towards the press box anyway. They are both day to day. I think Krug can handle carrying a rookie for a few games.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

How much would Ducks fans be willing to add into a Stoner for Hunwick@50% swap.
That's
~2.65m in space freed up this year
3.25 next year

Hunwick is a non starter. Try offering a 7th instead.

 

[4thline]

Hunwick is a non starter. Try offering a 7th instead.

A 600k vet 6-7 that could be sent to the minors is a non-starter? It's almost like there's no external pressure to move money and a #1 d isn't sitting at home.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

A 600k vet 6-7 that could be sent to the minors is a non-starter? It's almost like there's no external pressure to move money and a #1 d isn't sitting at home.

We don't need any more D, period.

 

[gilfaizon]

Spooner+Boston's 2017 2nd round pick for Cam Fowler. Only way i see it happening.

I think the Ducks would take that, and it very well could happen once Lindholm is signed.

 

[4thline]

We don't need any more D, period.

So? you need capspace. Your 1D and a top 6 forward are sitting out due to cap problems. If having to take on a near league min contract (below market value for the contribution) is the deal breaker on clearing 2.5+ million dollars your priorities are way out of wack.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

So? you need capspace. Your 1D and a top 6 forward are sitting out due to cap problems. If having to take on a near league min contract (below market value for the contribution) is the deal breaker on clearing 2.5+ million dollars your priorities are way out of wack.

OK, fine. Let's talk cap space. We aren't taking back any salary if we're paying a premium to dump Stoner.

 

[4thline]

OK, fine. Let's talk cap space. We aren't taking back any salary if we're paying a premium to dump Stoner.

So 3.25x2? Our 2nd + Petterson.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

So 3.25x2? Our 2nd + Petterson.

I'd do it.

 

[SubbanForsberg]

To

Cam Fowler
4th Round Pick 2017

To

1st Round Pick 2017
2nd Round Pick 2018
Nikita Scherbak or Sven Andrighetto or Charles Hudon


Ducks shed salary and Habs gets a puck mover