Duchene/Sakic/proposal

[Richards18Forever]

First off I just want to see what everyone on the flyers board thinks and feels about how Sakic has handled this whole situation. Don't forget the ROR situation also.

I can't believe it's taken this long for him to make a deal and for the sake of his team, make a deal and move on from this. Not to mention he has rumoured to have been offered some nice pieces.

Thoughts?



Also, what's everyone's trash for treasures proposal? I'd love Duchene to be our second center but I'm not ok with moving any prospects it would take to make it work.

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[Captain Dave Poulin]

I think Sakic has proven to be an idiot. Friedman said that this most recent fallen-through trade wasn't him being unable to pull the trigger and something may still happen with Ottawa, but still - no way he should have let it get to this point. Such a smart, smart player, too, but an idiot GM.

 

[Cappuccino]

I guess he is too scared to make the wrong deal, but the value of Duchene will (in the future) not become much higher (compared to months ago)..

 

[Hiesenberg]

Dreger said something about 4 picks or 2 top prospects + 2 picks.

No thank you to all of that.

Flyers right now looks like they'll have Couts/Patrick/Vorobyov/Laughton down the middle very soon and for quite some time.

 

[Rebels57]

Sakic is a moron.

That being said..

Adding Duchene WOULD accelerate our path to contending BUT he only has 2 years left on his deal and then will want a big extension. I just think there is too many complicated variables to be in a position for us to trade for him.

 

[Adam Warlock]

We do have 2 firsts this year so Id be open to trading one of them.

Itd be great if Sakic pisses off the other GMs interested and Hexy could swoop in with a fair offer that Sakic is forced to bite on.

Still think they could use another big piece up front.

 

[Rebels57]

We do have 2 firsts this year so Id be open to trading one of them.

Itd be great if Sakic pisses off the other GMs interested and Hexy could swoop in with a fair offer that Sakic is forced to bite on.

Still think they could use another big piece up front.

I would entertain trading one of those 1sts + for Duchene. You can then recoup that asset by moving Simmonds in the summer of 2018 or by moving Duchene at a later time if it looks like he wants too big of an extension.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

I don't think Duchene is going to get the contract that some are speculating he'll get. I think you're looking at a 6 to 6.5 million a year deal for him, pretty similar to what he's currently getting paid. He's not an 48 million a year player, so that's completely off the table and I'm pretty certain his camp knows it. As well, we're looking at a high end number 2 guy. We know that Patrick will eventually be the top dog, so that leaves Duchene and Couturier for the number 3 role. Then there's guys like Vorobyev, Laughton, Rubtsov, Bunnaman, Frost, etc....all in the pipeline. If the Flyers acquire Duchene, that probably means giving up one of those guys, as well as a guy like Meyers or Freidman and a 1st to go along with them. On top of it, a roster player would need to be removed to take on the cap hit of Duchene. Honestly, just too rich for the guy.

 

[tictactoe]

Dreger said something about 4 picks or 2 top prospects + 2 picks.

No thank you to all of that.

Flyers right now looks like they'll have Couts/Patrick/Vorobyov/Laughton down the middle very soon and for quite some time.

None of them currently as good as Duchene.

 

[kudymen]

Currently.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If you're trading for Duchene, you're expecting to extend him. You really can't afford to extend both Duchene and Simmonds without moving something else significant out.

 

[Rebels57]

I don't think Duchene is going to get the contract that some are speculating he'll get. I think you're looking at a 6 to 6.5 million a year deal for him, pretty similar to what he's currently getting paid. He's not an 48 million a year player, so that's completely off the table and I'm pretty certain his camp knows it. As well, we're looking at a high end number 2 guy. We know that Patrick will eventually be the top dog, so that leaves Duchene and Couturier for the number 3 role. Then there's guys like Vorobyev, Laughton, Rubtsov, Bunnaman, Frost, etc....all in the pipeline. If the Flyers acquire Duchene, that probably means giving up one of those guys, as well as a guy like Meyers or Freidman and a 1st to go along with them. On top of it, a roster player would need to be removed to take on the cap hit of Duchene. Honestly, just too rich for the guy.

Duchene as a UFA will get paid more than Duchene did as an RFA.

He will get at least $7 million from someone if he makes it to UFA.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

None of them currently as good as Duchene.

Coots is easily better imo

I'd take duchene in a flip Simmonds then flip the assets for duchene scenario but that's about it

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Duchene ain't touching Schenn's production. Does he even lift?

 

[Adam Warlock]

Giroux-Couturier-Voracek
Weal-Duchene-Simmonds
Filpulla-Patrick-Konecny
Leier-Laughtom-Raffl

That is nice to look at. Hexy wont trade for him tho...not his style.

 

[Curufinwe]

Duchene has 51 points in his last 90 games.

Couturier has 52 points in his last 81 games.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

Duchene as a UFA will get paid more than Duchene did as an RFA.

He will get at least $7 million from someone if he makes it to UFA.

Whoever gives Duchene $7 million a year is a fool. He's never been a point per game player in his career and only scored 30 goals once in his career. I suppose if a team is desperate and they lose a key guy (think the Islanders and Tavares), then I think he'll get 7, but even then, it's still about $1 million more than he's worth.

I wouldn't give him $7. I'm probably in the minority, but I wouldn't give him anything over $6.

 

[Curufinwe]

$7m is fine if the team has the cap space, like Carolina. They really need another scoring center if they want to be a playoff team.

http://puckbase.com/stats/scoring?team=CAR

 

[Sawdalite]

Not suggesting in the least that Flyers trade major assets for him... but it must be pointed out that Filp will release $5M this Season and Lehtera another after next Season... Simmonds next Contract, around then, doesn't really have to preclude brining him in... and he would replace Filp presently... again not pushing for going after him, merely saying it could be worked in if Hexy decided to go that way.

EDIT: keeping in mind also Cap going the other way in such a Deal.

 

[Curufinwe]

I think the bigger issue is what kind of assets Sakic must be demanding, not the cap.

 

[Striiker]

Hagg and Weal. That's my best offer.

 

[Sawdalite]

I think the bigger issue is what kind of assets Sakic must be demanding, not the cap.

Agreed.

 

[Sawdalite]

Hagg and Weal. That's my best offer.

Weally??

 

[Tripod]

Whoever gives Duchene $7 million a year is a fool. He's never been a point per game player in his career and only scored 30 goals once in his career. I suppose if a team is desperate and they lose a key guy (think the Islanders and Tavares), then I think he'll get 7, but even then, it's still about $1 million more than he's worth.

I wouldn't give him $7. I'm probably in the minority, but I wouldn't give him anything over $6.

Ryan Johansen got 8 million and had 1 season over 63 points....71 points. Also only has 1 30 goal season.

That's the market his agent will be comparing him to.

FWIW, I would not trade for him as we have too many other holes. If you trade for him, you also have to trade for an experienced Dman and better goaltending too. You do all, or you do none.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Between Montreal, Rangers, Carolina, Islanders. Columbus and seemingly Ottawa there's a lot of teams desperate for top end center. Sakic might be no genius, but he has plenty of wiggle room to walk away with a haul.
We should just pounce on whomever feels like they missed and make a deal around Filps. We already traded Schenn in what most dub as transition season, no reason to hold on expiring UFA.