Proposal: Duchene for Trouba, Little for younger RHD

[GaryPoppins]

So, for whatever reason.. I cannot shake the feeling that Trouba is simply waiting out his time in Winnipeg. You can say there is no evidence of this, or that things have changed.... but regardless, there is still a very real possibility that Trouba could be gone if not locked up long term. The point of this thread is not to argue if he wants out or not, but to analyze the deal.

I propose this:

To Winnipeg:
Matt Duchene+Zadorov+2nd?

To Colorado:
Jacob Trouba+ Bryan Little



or... if no adds and it's just Duchene for Trouba...

To Club with available young D(Carolina, perhaps?):
Bryan Little

To WPG:
Younger LHD/RHD with upside + 1st/2nd

Why I propose this:
1) Both players expressed interest in moving on from their respective clubs.
2) A tandem of Scheifele and Duchene would be ridiculous.
3) Colorado gets a D they've sorely needed.
3) I love Little, but he is getting older and though showing no signs of decreasing his output... it will come. This would align the age of our core. Also, no playoff success while having little in our Top 6. Not saying it's on him at all.... but sometimes things need a change.
4) Little still has a ton of value, so you could look for teams needing Centre help and augment the Trouba hole

Now, this is risky as we aren't fully out of the woods in terms of Myers injury... but if he IS fine and ready to roll... it could work.

Click to read more...

 

[AvsGuy]

At this point I would trade Duchene for Trouba straight up, but I wouldn't trade Zadorov and a 2nd for Little. Also Zadorov is a LHD. Interesting premise, although I don't think interdivisional teams would make this trade.

 

[Huffer]

Rather keep Trouba for a few more years and if he can't get signed, flip him then.

No interest in trading him for Duchene. 0.

 

[GaryPoppins]

At this point I would trade Duchene for Trouba straight up, but I wouldn't trade Zadorov and a 2nd for Little. Also Zadorov is a LHD. Interesting premise, although I don't think interdivisional teams would make this trade.

There is absolutely that factor. Wonder if upside of both is enough to get past that.

 

[surixon]

Not interested in the least. Little is about as good as Duchene so no need for him. Both proposals are terrible. Trouba is worth way more than Duchene at this point that a major plus would need to come back our way. Duchene also does not address any need on the team as we are stacked with high end offensive players.

No fit between the teams.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

No fit between the teams.

Absolutely none. I've lost count of the number of Trouba to the Avs proposal threads, and it seems like they all reach the same conclusion.

Unless Makar is being included in these proposals, nothing's changed: there's zero fit between the Jets and Avs as trade partners.

 

[GaryPoppins]

Not interested in the least. Little is about as good as Duchene so no need for him. Both proposals are terrible. Trouba is worth way more than Duchene at this point that a major plus would need to come back our way. Duchene also does not address any need on the team as we are stacked with high end offensive players.

No fit between the teams.

There could absolutely be adds on both sides, but the proposals are not terrible.

The factor is Little's age. Duchene would be better than Little if playing with our top six.

 

[mcpw]

The four oldest players on the team are 32, 32, 30, 29.

At some point we need to get better, not younger.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

At this point I would trade Duchene for Trouba straight up, but I wouldn't trade Zadorov and a 2nd for Little. Also Zadorov is a LHD. Interesting premise, although I don't think interdivisional teams would make this trade.

Sorry but Duchene + Zadorov + 2nd doesn't get you Trouba alone.

 

[Huffer]

There could absolutely be adds on both sides, but the proposals are not terrible.

The factor is Little's age. Duchene would be better than Little if playing with our top six.

The factor (besides there being no interest in trading Trouba for Duchene) is that Duchene only has 1 more year that Little on his current contract.

I feel a there is a lot better chance to re-sign Little than there is on hoping Duchene signs with the Jets after a short stint instead of going to UFA. 0 chance on moving Trouba to take that risk IMO.

 

[Peter Tagli Eddie]

There could absolutely be adds on both sides, but the proposals are not terrible.

The factor is Little's age. Duchene would be better than Little if playing with our top six.

But, they are.

 

[CorgisPer60]

Yeah, Trouba has proven that he's a legitimate top pairing defender, and Little is a severely underrated first line centre (though he'll likely start regressing as age becomes an issue). Meanwhile, Zadorov hasn't proven much beyond being a serviceable mid-pairing D (who's threatened to run back to Russia already), and Duchene isn't objectively better than Little. I've no interest in trading Trouba to a division rival except for a significant overpayment.

 

[GaryPoppins]

Yeah, Trouba has proven that he's a legitimate top pairing defender, and Little is a severely underrated first line centre (though he'll likely start regressing as age becomes an issue). Meanwhile, Zadorov hasn't proven much beyond being a serviceable mid-pairing D (who's threatened to run back to Russia already), and Duchene isn't objectively better than Little. I've no interest in trading Trouba to a division rival except for a significant overpayment.

I would assume the threats are simply to get out of the tire fire that is Colorado.

 

[jetsforever]

Maybe the Little one if the return D is good.
I don't like Trouba-Duchene

 

[Maukkis]

I can't come up with a package of Avs' assets that would fetch Trouba, let alone Little on top of him.

 

[Gm0ney]

I can't come up with a package of Avs' assets that would fetch Trouba, let alone Little on top of him.

Colorado's 2018 1st round pick could be something...

 

[Peggy]

It would be rough for the jets to lose their best defenseman
It's really too bad Trouba is playing this game

If We have to move Trouba then I'm for it
As long as you can use little to replace Trouba

Or keep little, scheifele and have duchene as your 3c for a season or 2?

Maybe we have to move buff and wheeler for a rhd?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

There could absolutely be adds on both sides, but the proposals are not terrible.

The factor is Little's age. Duchene would be better than Little if playing with our top six.

Little has outscored Duchene over the last several seasons. He is better defensively than Duchene. He is better at both shot suppression and shot generation. Duchene has played with talented linemates in Colorado. There is no reason to expect him to be any better in Winnipeg.

Little is a UFA in 1 more season, Duchene in 2. Little will likely be cheaper to re-sign. He has expressed interest in staying in Winnipeg. Duchene may or may not like it. Both will need raises, Little to about what Duchene makes now, Duchene somewhat above that.

Duchene is 3 years younger. That may or may not compensate for the pluses that Little has. They are close to even.

Zadorov has played only to a 3rd pair level so far. He is young and will likely improve but that is not guaranteed. Then there is the Russian factor. His value in the context of Trouba and Little is minimal.

Losing Trouba and Little is a huge step back. Duchene and Zadorov do not make up that loss. The 2nd doesn't even come close to compensating for the difference.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

Young No.1 D for Top 6 C on a team that hasn't succeeded yet and was the worst team in the league. Value is seriously lacking there, there would have to be more value added(likely a 1st Round pick)

 

[Hunter368]

Absolutely no interest in trading Trouba for Duch straight up. Trouba for Duch++ (both plus would need to be significant).

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

Absolutely no interest in trading Trouba for Duch straight up. Trouba for Duch++ (both plus would need to be significant).

I'd Ben fine with a 1st Round and Duch as that would give us a shot at the Svechnikov/Dahlin Draft Race.

 

[Maukkis]

Colorado's 2018 1st round pick could be something...

This team is trying to contend, not go backwards.

 

[Peggy]

This team is trying to contend, not go backwards.

Isn't the 2018 top pick dahlin tho?

 

[Pongs21]

IF Trouba will not resign, I'd restructure the trade like this..

Trouba
Copp
4th

for

Matt Duchene
Zadorov
2nd (conditional: turns into 1st if Trouba signs long term w/avs)

 

[Peggy]

Imagine having

Scheifele
Little
Duchene

Down the middle