Prospect Info: Draft Thread | Oilers Hold The 4th Overall Selection

[CantHaveTkachev]

Yeh there isnt much difference between the 3 Dmen in terms of anyone could go before the other 2. The point still remains... There isnt a single ranking that has Sergacehv going top 5.



I wouldnt mind it as long as we know Chia is spending to cap.

Pickup Puljujarvi + Dubois\Tkachuk

Hall-Drai-Tkachuk
Maroon-McDavid-Puljujarvi
Pouliot-xxxx-Kassian

just what we need....more rookies and unknowns in the top 6!

has 10 years without the playoffs taught you nothing?

 

[Raab]

Yeh there isnt much difference between the 3 Dmen in terms of anyone could go before the other 2. The point still remains... There isnt a single ranking that has Sergacehv going top 5.



I wouldnt mind it as long as we know Chia is spending to cap.

Pickup Puljujarvi + Dubois\Tkachuk

Hall-Drai-Tkachuk
Maroon-McDavid-Puljujarvi
Pouliot-xxxx-Kassian

There wasn't any ranking that had OEL top 5 either. Bet Colorado, Atlanta, and LA are kicking themselves now though.

 

[SLURVE]

The Jets value Puli right with Laine as well I believe. It is unlikely the Jets draft Puli but keep in mind they selected Scheifele over Couturier and Trouba over Forsberg in previous drafts.

Tkachuk definitely fits the Blue Jackets system. A Jenner-Tkachuk duo would be hard to contain.

One guy who may hit the top is is Clayton Keller as well. I myself am high on Keller. Great skater with a great i.q.

There is a big possibility CBJ may take Tkachuk over Puli but I am not sure about Keller who is 5'10" and 168 lbs. being picked in the top 10 but you never know...

 

[Draiskull]

just what we need....more rookies and unknowns in the top 6!

has 10 years without the playoffs taught you nothing?

I did say it was going in the wrong direction

Still looks cool on paper and I am not really that high on Eberle + Yak ..
IMO Tkachuk+Puljujarvi would an instant upgrade over what we had last season on the RW.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

There is a big possibility CBJ may take Tkachuk over Puli but I am not sure about Keller who is 5'10" and 168 lbs. being picked in the top 10 but you never know...

CBJ needs centers...why would they take a winger there when a better one in Puljujarvi is available?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I did say it was going in the wrong direction

Still looks cool on paper and I am not really that high on Eberle + Yak ..
IMO Tkachuk+Puljujarvi would an instant upgrade over what we had last season on the RW.

two 18 year old cutting their teeth against 30 year olds in the NHL is not an instant upgrade
Eberle>>>> Tkachuk, Puljujarvi

the reason we are where we are is cause management has thrown 18 year old to the wolves and watch them fail without veteran support

 

[Draiskull]

There wasn't any ranking that had OEL top 5 either. Bet Colorado, Atlanta, and LA are kicking themselves now though.

well and anyone suggesting OEL going top 5 would have been laughed at at that time.. Just like suggesting Trouba or Lindholm over Murray would have been laughed at.

No one is kicking themselves because how things turned out.

Oilers would have traded down for Trouba if they thought he was the target and not selected him 1st overall.

The same should be done with Sergachev if that is what Oilers believe..

IMO if there is one prospects Oilers would reach for it would be Logan Brown.

No one is disagreeing with you.. Sergachev is a good looking prospect.. but so are atleast 8 others.. I am not going to start pushing Brown @ #4 here using OEL\Chara as examples.

 

[lakai17]

CBJ needs centers...why would they take a winger there when a better one in Puljujarvi is available?

Columbus have Jenner, Wennberg and Milano as centers. Dubinsky and Foligno step in the dot also at times.

 

[Raab]

well and anyone suggesting OEL going top 5 would have been laughed at at that time.. Just like suggesting Trouba or Lindholm over Murray would have been laughed at.

No one is kicking themselves because how things turned out.

Oilers would have traded down for Trouba if they thought he was the target and not selected him 1st overall.

The same should be done with Sergachev if that is what Oilers believe..

IMO if there is one prospects Oilers would reach for it would be Logan Brown.

No one is disagreeing with you.. Sergachev is a good looking prospect.. but so are atleast 8 others.. I am not going to start pushing Brown @ #4 here using OEL\Chara as examples.

The problem is everyone is saying theres not much separating the prospects from 4-10 really. Why trade down and risk your guy being taken unexpectedly. Sure you might be able to pick up an extra asset, but is an extra 2nd round pick worth losing the guy your really high on? I don't think so, if the guy is ranked 8th and you think he's the best at 4th you take him. Thats what good organizations do, they don't care about mock drafts or scouting reports they take the guy they believe to be BPA.

 

[lakai17]

There is a big possibility CBJ may take Tkachuk over Puli but I am not sure about Keller who is 5'10" and 168 lbs. being picked in the top 10 but you never know...

Keller is almost a full year younger than Tkachuk. A lot of time for him to put some weight on. He makes my top 10 list ranking wise.

 

[Canovin]

Keller is almost a full year younger than Tkachuk. A lot of time for him to put some weight on. He makes my top 10 list ranking wise.

Keller could fall like Konecny. I wouldn't take him in the top 10 with so many powerfowards on board

I mean you can draft a guy like Benson in the 2nd round. I think that's a safer route

 

[Draiskull]

The problem is everyone is saying theres not much separating the prospects from 4-10 really. Why trade down and risk your guy being taken unexpectedly. Sure you might be able to pick up an extra asset, but is an extra 2nd round pick worth losing the guy your really high on? I don't think so, if the guy is ranked 8th and you think he's the best at 4th you take him. Thats what good organizations do, they don't care about mock drafts or scouting reports they take the guy they believe to be BPA.

So if the Oilers are really high on Logan Brown they should take him at #4?

If "everyone" is saying that there isnt much separating 4-10 then you either believe them or you dont.. If you believe them then you losing your guy at #7 will still get you an almost equal player assuming you are taking one of the 4-10.

Why be sad about losing out on Sergachev when you are getting an almost equal if not better prospect by "everyone's" standards.

By most mock drafts and reports.. Dubois & Tkachuk are a clear tier above the others. It would be real sad if the Oilers pick someone else without trading down.

 

[PKSpecialist]

Columbus have Jenner, Wennberg and Milano as centers. Dubinsky and Foligno step in the dot also at times.

Dubinsky is a full-time centre and masked as their number 1. Jenner is number 2, but has played a lot of wing at this point in his career. Wennberg has a long ways to go to establish himself, and really doesn't look like a top line guy. Milano spends much of his time on the wing. They need a centre with number 1 potential in the worst way. There is speculation that they will draft Puljujarvi with the hopes of turning him into a centre( an idea much like with Hall here for a time), or that they will trade down and draft Dubois or Brown.

 

[Halibut]

So if the Oilers are really high on Logan Brown they should take him at #4?

If "everyone" is saying that there isnt much separating 4-10 then you either believe them or you dont.. If you believe them then you losing your guy at #7 will still get you an almost equal player assuming you are taking one of the 4-10.

Why be sad about losing out on Sergachev when you are getting an almost equal if not better prospect by "everyone's" standards.

By most mock drafts and reports.. Dubois & Tkachuk are a clear tier above the others. It would be real sad if the Oilers pick someone else without trading down.

Because all things being equal the Oilers need an offensive d-man more than what any of the other prospects bring.

 

[Raab]

So if the Oilers are really high on Logan Brown they should take him at #4?

If "everyone" is saying that there isnt much separating 4-10 then you either believe them or you dont.. If you believe them then you losing your guy at #7 will still get you an almost equal player assuming you are taking one of the 4-10.

Why be sad about losing out on Sergachev when you are getting an almost equal if not better prospect by "everyone's" standards.

By most mock drafts and reports.. Dubois & Tkachuk are a clear tier above the others. It would be real sad if the Oilers pick someone else without trading down.

I'd be fine with taking Logan Brown at 4 now that I've thought about it if Draisaitl's moved. He'd be a real good 3rd line center for us. I don't think he has the offensive upside to be a guy like Getzlaf, but I do see him turning into a guy like J. Staal who was taken 2nd, or Couturier who was taken 8th. Still think the best fit for us is Sergachev though. Were not going to be a contender until we fix the scoring on the backend. Also if we pass on Sergachev and he becomes an OEL type dman for Vancouver or Calgary we'll never live it down.

 

[Raab]

Dubinsky is a full-time centre and masked as their number 1. Jenner is number 2, but has played a lot of wing at this point in his career. Wennberg has a long ways to go to establish himself, and really doesn't look like a top line guy. Milano spends much of his time on the wing. They need a centre with number 1 potential in the worst way. There is speculation that they will draft Puljujarvi with the hopes of turning him into a centre( an idea much like with Hall here for a time), or that they will trade down and draft Dubois or Brown.

Brown won't be a #1, and Dubois MIGHT be a center at the NHL level, could easily be put back on wing. I don't see how Columbus can pass on Puljujarvi really given their lack of RW depth. If I'm Columbus I take Puljujarvi and try to sign Frans Nielson as a UFA.

 

[Mr Positive]

Dubinsky is a full-time centre and masked as their number 1. Jenner is number 2, but has played a lot of wing at this point in his career. Wennberg has a long ways to go to establish himself, and really doesn't look like a top line guy. Milano spends much of his time on the wing. They need a centre with number 1 potential in the worst way. There is speculation that they will draft Puljujarvi with the hopes of turning him into a centre( an idea much like with Hall here for a time), or that they will trade down and draft Dubois or Brown.

Dubinsky should be a 3C, and is doing very badly as their top guy. Their other guys are okay but again, they are all middle six potential at best.

Last year Maloney said the only realistic way to get a top center is through the draft, and that's why he took Strome (and reached a bit to take him). So if Columbus takes Puljujarvi they are setting up their whole team and Puljujarvi to fail. They might as well look at the top of next year's draft if they plan on taking a winger in the draft this year.

It's not that they would expect someone like Brown or Dubois to immediately push them up the standings. It's that they would REQUIRE their team to fail or else they'd be stuck without a true 1C indefinitely.

 

[lakai17]

Keller could fall like Konecny. I wouldn't take him in the top 10 with so many powerfowards on board

I mean you can draft a guy like Benson in the 2nd round. I think that's a safer route

Now in no way was I implying that Oilers should draft Keller. I was stating Keller is ranked in my top 10 in this years draft.
Pronman has Keller at #4 in his latest rankings for a reason.

Doug Weight esque, Doug Weight esque.

I believe we will witness Benson drafted in the 1st round also. I do not see him sliding to the second round, at all.

 

[Raab]

Now in no way was I implying that Oilers should draft Keller. I was stating Keller is ranked in my top 10 in this years draft.
Pronman has Keller at #4 in his latest rankings for a reason.

Doug Weight esque, Doug Weight esque.

I believe we will witness Benson drafted in the 1st round also. I do not see him sliding to the second round, at all.

Where do you see Jost going? For me I could see him in the top 10 as well. Such a smart player with tons of skill.

 

[Raab]

Dubinsky should be a 3C, and is doing very badly as their top guy. Their other guys are okay but again, they are all middle six potential at best.

Last year Maloney said the only realistic way to get a top center is through the draft, and that's why he took Strome (and reached a bit to take him). So if Columbus takes Puljujarvi they are setting up their whole team and Puljujarvi to fail. They might as well look at the top of next year's draft if they plan on taking a winger in the draft this year.

It's not that they would expect someone like Brown or Dubois to immediately push them up the standings. It's that they would REQUIRE their team to fail or else they'd be stuck without a true 1C indefinitely.

I dunno about that, we've seen both Seguin and Johansen be traded within the last 3 years. I think it's possible to get a good young center but you have to be willing to give something up to get them.

 

[lakai17]

Dubinsky is a full-time centre and masked as their number 1. Jenner is number 2, but has played a lot of wing at this point in his career. Wennberg has a long ways to go to establish himself, and really doesn't look like a top line guy. Milano spends much of his time on the wing. They need a centre with number 1 potential in the worst way. There is speculation that they will draft Puljujarvi with the hopes of turning him into a centre( an idea much like with Hall here for a time), or that they will trade down and draft Dubois or Brown.

Dubinsky was on Jenners wing the second half of the season but I do understand what you are saying.

I think they are satisfied with Wennberg as the 3rd line center for now. At the age of 22 this year he has a lot of time to become a potential 2nd line center. He has the tools.

Although we know having legit center depth never hurts.

I feel Minnesota will be gunning for a top 6 center very soon. Koivu and Granlund both bring the same type of game but Erik Haula is shooting up the charts fast.

 

[lakai17]

Where do you see Jost going? For me I could see him in the top 10 as well. Such a smart player with tons of skill.

I have to predict Jost goes from #9-#15

I am curious on who Van drafts at #5, they could draft just about anyone with their empty cupboards.

 

[Aceboogie]

I dunno about that, we've seen both Seguin and Johansen be traded within the last 3 years. I think it's possible to get a good young center but you have to be willing to give something up to get them.

Seguin was only legit one to be traded. Jones was a very recent 4th overall pick, so I mean trading a fresh 4th overall pick for a young center is almost the same as taking a center in draft

If thye had taken Monahan (Nashville), theyd be in same spot they are today with Johansen

 

[Aceboogie]

Speaking of Wennberg, unless Columbus pulls off some big deals to offload their NMCs, Wennberg is likely gone in the expansion draft. Columbus has 4 forwards taking up NMC forced protects and then Jenner/Atkinson/Wennberg for unprotected forwards. Only 2 can be protected. You could protect all 3 but then you open up Murray or Jones to be exposed

They can either pay out the ying yang to get someone to take Tyutin, Hartnell, Clarkson. Or bite the bullet and trade Dubinsky/Foligno

Either way, 1 of Wennberg or Dubinsky wont be there by expansion draft or next year

 

[McOvechking]

Not sure why Columbus would take anyone other than Puljujarvi at #3. Just makes more sense that they trade down if he's not their guy.