Draft and UDFA Thread: Part IV
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Ghost of jas
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You need to drag the last comment by @Edge from the last thread. It’s too good to get buried.
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It's called "dedication"
Let me do a quick revision of that for you. I want to make sure you're prepared for your next trip into the states:
"It's called dedication... your honor."
Amazing Kreiderman
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Let me do a quick revision of that for you. I want to make sure you're prepared for your next trip into the states:
It's called "dedication"... your honor.
I am flying to Calgary on Thursday. Is that the same?
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Ghost of jas
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It's called "dedication"
That’s one word for it.
Edge
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In Canada, it depends on the province. I believe in Ontario it's "My Lord" or "My Lady."
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JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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My rudimentary opinion:
Brink
Caufield
Doro
Brink and Caufield are extremely close. Starting to get sold on Caufield.
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Brink and Caufield are extremely close. Starting to get sold on Caufield.
HatTrick Swayze
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I feel like 5 is the spot where I am less confident in my draft order prediction.
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mrmovies779
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If im Gorton,i do whatever i can to get to #3 to draft Byram.This kid is going to be something special.He and Miller manning the left side of the ice for the next 10+ years has me drooling.
Edge
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Just for the hell of it, I went back and looked at the top 12 picks from every draft since 2005.
I picked 2005 because I consider it a turning point in how teams approach roster building, and I chose the top 12 because I feel like that's a good number that tends to be prior to a lot of talent drops in many drafts. I also wanted to look just a tad beyond the typical "top 10" scope that we often utilize. I can't guarantee the numbers are 100 percent accurate, I am sleepy and I don't have time to review everything. However, I think it's at least fairly close.
Like anything else, we can spin some of these numbers however they want because that's just how data works. For example, this list doesn't take into account expansion, trades, or gaps between top 12 picks. Some teams had a great deal of success between top 12 selections, and tend to bounce in and out of the grouping. Other teams practically buy real estate in this neighborhood. Furthermore, some teams may have picks clustered together, while others may lean heavy on the top 5.
For example, Edmonton has a higher number of first overall picks. So while there are teams that are close to their total for top 12 picks, Edmonton has generally picked higher.
But it's still a very interesting look at teams over the last 14 years. Additionally, I also added a number in parenthesis based on whether the team would be picking in the top 12 if the draft were held today.
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[/TBODY]So, a few hot takes:
Carolina, Edmonton and the Islanders, wow.
Easy to forget how many kicks at the can some of the today's top teams had to acquire talent.
Several teams have more appearances in the top 12 than I would've guessed.
Several teams have fewer appearances in the top 12 than I would've guessed.
Larger market teams seem to have an easier time pulling the nose up and climbing in and out of the top 12.
Smart management, quality scouts, and the ability to find talent to augment first round picks is essential. Your draft cannot be "done" after the 12th pick.
I picked 2005 because I consider it a turning point in how teams approach roster building, and I chose the top 12 because I feel like that's a good number that tends to be prior to a lot of talent drops in many drafts. I also wanted to look just a tad beyond the typical "top 10" scope that we often utilize. I can't guarantee the numbers are 100 percent accurate, I am sleepy and I don't have time to review everything. However, I think it's at least fairly close.
Like anything else, we can spin some of these numbers however they want because that's just how data works. For example, this list doesn't take into account expansion, trades, or gaps between top 12 picks. Some teams had a great deal of success between top 12 selections, and tend to bounce in and out of the grouping. Other teams practically buy real estate in this neighborhood. Furthermore, some teams may have picks clustered together, while others may lean heavy on the top 5.
For example, Edmonton has a higher number of first overall picks. So while there are teams that are close to their total for top 12 picks, Edmonton has generally picked higher.
But it's still a very interesting look at teams over the last 14 years. Additionally, I also added a number in parenthesis based on whether the team would be picking in the top 12 if the draft were held today.
| Team | Picks | Expanded | Total |
| Carolina | 10 | 10 | |
| Islanders | 10 | 10 | |
| Edmonton | 10 | (+1) | 11 |
| Phoenix/Arizona | 9 | 9 | |
| Columbus | 8 | 8 | |
| Florida | 8 | (+1) | 9 |
| Atlanta/Winnipeg | 8 | 8 | |
| Buffalo | 8 | (+1) | 9 |
| Vancouver | 7 | (+1) | 8 |
| Colorado | 7 | (+2) | 9 |
| Los Angeles | 6 | (+1) | 7 |
| Toronto | 6 | 6 | |
| Minnesota | 5 | 5 | |
| Montreal | 5 | 5 | |
| Chicago | 5 | (+1) | 6 |
| Ottawa | 5 | 5 | |
| Philadelphia | 5 | 5 | |
| Tampa | 5 | 5 | |
| Dallas | 5 | 5 | |
| Anaheim | 4 | (+1) | 5 |
| Rangers | 4 | (+1) | 5 |
| Boston | 4 | 4 | |
| Nashville | 4 | 4 | |
| New Jersey | 4 | (+1) | 5 |
| Pittsburgh | 3 | 3 | |
| San Jose | 3 | 3 | |
| Washington | 3 | 3 | |
| Calgary | 3 | 3 | |
| St. Louis | 2 | 2 | |
| Detroit | 2 | (+1) | 3 |
| Vegas | 1 | 1 |
Carolina, Edmonton and the Islanders, wow.
Easy to forget how many kicks at the can some of the today's top teams had to acquire talent.
Several teams have more appearances in the top 12 than I would've guessed.
Several teams have fewer appearances in the top 12 than I would've guessed.
Larger market teams seem to have an easier time pulling the nose up and climbing in and out of the top 12.
Smart management, quality scouts, and the ability to find talent to augment first round picks is essential. Your draft cannot be "done" after the 12th pick.
Ghost of jas
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And while Gorton has attempted to get in the top ten, by adding multiple 1sts, he’s has structured his approach to not be completely reliant on picking in the top 3-5. It’s going to come down to smart trades - adding pieces like DeAngelo, Hajek, Howden and Lemieux - acquiring multiple picks, including 1st rounders - a potential of 11 over four years, and hitting on players beyond the 1st round -Keane and Barron look the most promising so far, and Buchnevich as a 3rd rounder certainly is a win. Then you can make judicious free agent signings at the right time. It’s been 13 months since the current process began. One draft is not changing this team's fortunes overnight.
He's pre "The Letter" but I'd throw Reunanen on that list with Barron and Keane as well.
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Them and Edmonton feel like they’re both saying “you’ll be a walk on first liner for our team
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