Doughty Hit on Carrier (UPD: Suspended One Game)

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  1. Sol

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    The fact you're still here as a "neutral" party making a myriad of bogus claims that aren't based in reality ; all the while the teams in question have nothing to do with yours.

    Your position makes no sense in reality.

    If mental gymnastics was an Olympic sport, you'd take gold consistently. No doubt.
     
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    That's not really a clear shot of him picking the head though from my perspective. And I don't think it's clear where the point of contact is and whether or not there is more body contact. Wennberg gets sandwiched here which muddies it up. However, if it was determined that he did pick the head, Wilson should be suspended longer than Doughty. I just don't see the evidence that shows that to be true.
     
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    Just because you're incapable of understanding doesn't mean it makes no sense or is bogus. It just means you don't understand. It's okay.
     
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    Player status should have zero bearing on how suspendable actions are whether they are at the receiving or giving end.
     
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    Good Doughty quotes here:

     
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    Man, I want you on a jury if I was ever accused of murder, and they had a video of me with a gun to a guys head, suddenly there is a truck that passes between camera and the event.
    After the truck passes by guy is on the ground dead, shot in the back not the head. You would keep me from the rope ;)
     
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    Its official. DOPS are now mind readers whose powers seem to grow when faced with public pressure.

    Bad news for the game of hockey.

    Really have no idea why this is a game and some of the other similar hits dont even get looked at. Scandalous really.
     
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    I'm not big on conspiracy theories but it's hard to help for me to think this was partly because the league wants Vegas to succeed.
     
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    It's a shame that players don't become concerned about the DOPS inconsistency until they specifically feel like they are victim to it.
     
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    Damn your humor.
     
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    I think someone needs to come up with an app for determining suspensions. Have all the players vote yes or no on each case that gets referred, policing the game themselves. Then you could have hockey fans make up 5% of the vote. It would probably be more consistent than the current rulings.
     
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    I have a hard time seeing how this is 1 game when you take the playoffs into consideration and hes arguably the best defenseman in the league (which lets face it they take that into consideration on their suspensions)...yet the hit on Antipin got 0 games in the regular season when it was by someone with previous history. :huh:

    Vegas being in the playoffs as an expansion team was already fishy enough and this suspension doesn't really help things. Hoping LA turns it around and wins the series so I don't have to keep hearing about Vegas.
     
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    I wouldn't mind seeing Wilson suspended, but I'm not seeing conclusive evidence in that picture that Wennberg's head was the main point of contact.
     
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    1 game is too steep.

    Just fine the guy.
     
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    Admission by silence.
     
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    This is just absurd. Up until this point I had hope that you'd be able to have a decent, honest conversation, but this is asinine, and proves otherwise.

    Good day sir, or madam.
     
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    So, exactly like Doughtys hit then except Wilson left his feet and is a repeat offender?

    I still cant understand this suspension.
     
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    The Doughty video clearly shows Carrier's head was the main point of contact.
     
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    Even Blake saying "we'll stick by our player there."

    That's as diplomatic a '**** you' as you'll get from respectful guys.

    Glad Drew verbalized himself well too, thought he might have just gone full racoon-in-a-dumpster give no ****s mode but that was well said and pretty much my feelings exactly.
     
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    Yeah I don't think so but keep trying.

    I am not the only one who shares that opinion. I don't give a damn about Tom Wilson and would throw the book at him whenever he commits an infraction deserving of such but I just don't see the conclusive evidence like mouser above has stated. That still is leaving a lot out of the picture for what you're trying to get there. I don't disagree that DoPS is painfully inconsistent with their punishments. I don't disagree that that very play could be suspension-worthy if another angle shows a much clearer view of where the contact is on Wennberg. Like I said, if that angle showed that he picked the head, then he deserves a suspension and longer than Doughty because Wilson has history and because of him leaving the ice to make that hit.
     
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    Really dont like the sound of "main" point of contact. Kind of a slippery slope word. Not saying this happened in any of the cases but it further muddies intent which is the most important yet ignored variable. Initial was flawed as well but at least it lets you know what you hit first.

    Wilsons hit is a leave yer feet hit em in the head hit. Pretty obvious intent.

    Doughtys is a "he clipped the shoulder and then hit the head so we're gonna say he intended to hit the head" mind reading mess.

    No one should be celebrating this media driven suspension.
     
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    At least Drew isn't shy!
     
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    Well, "main point of contact" is the language in the rule book, so the most logically word to apply.

    In contrast, Intent is not part of the rule. The NHL deliberately removed intent from the Illegal Check to the Head rule four years ago because it was difficult to assess intent. Just like high sticking or delay of game for playing the puck out of bounds, intent doesn't matter.

    Now the DoPS can assess intent as part of determining suspension length. However establishing intent is not required to suspend a player. And frankly, imo most suspensions are for actions that weren't intentional, more commonly they're mistakes/dumb/reckless plays with outcomes the player didn't intend.
     
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    I SAID GOOD DAY, SIR
     
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