Management Don Sweeney IV

[Mr. Make-Believe]

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Let's analyse his work as a GM and leave the trade proposals to the dedicated thread.

Thanks!

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[finchster]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=123896241&postcount=966
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=123896283&postcount=968

Yeah but that's the point, Tuukka Rask was in 2007 and Horton was in 2010.

6 Years is a long time to keep trading quarters for dimes and nickels. It's easy to understand why the roster has degraded. I'd like for us to get the right package together to swing a deal for the best player in the deal. I would love for it to be Trouba.

 

[Coach Parker]

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Let's analyse his work as a GM and leave the trade proposals to the dedicated thread.

Thanks!

Where is the trade proposal thread anyways?

 

[Blowfish]

Has built a boatload of promising prospects plus can't wait to see his team with everyone healthy. Vatrano due back late December early January.

 

[Pia8988]

Has built a boatload of promising prospects plus can't wait to see his team with everyone healthy. Vatrano due back late December early January.

I wouldn't be shocked if Vatrano starts back in the AHL to get back up to speed unless there are significant injuries to Boston before he's back.

 

[Marcobruin]

Has built a boatload of promising prospects plus can't wait to see his team with everyone healthy. Vatrano due back late December early January.

Yes he has compiled prospects but imo none or at least most of them are not elite..
Charlie may be elite but not sure
Zboril could be a good sound dman
Im antiicipating senyshyn...I don't think he'll be a superstar but he might be an exciting player scoring
50-60 pts per season with I'd guess
25-27 goals

 

[pierre gagnon*]

You cannot get Bluechip prospects (A+) outside of the top 3 picks. After that they are good picks to be had A, A-, B+ and B. Sweeney has a enough of them. Through trades or guys like Vesey/Vatrano they can possibly get one guy to put them over the top. Sheer numbers of the depth he has amazed can lead to that.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Yes he has compiled prospects but imo none or at least most of them are not elite..
Charlie may be elite but not sure
Zboril could be a good sound dman
Im antiicipating senyshyn...I don't think he'll be a superstar but he might be an exciting player scoring
50-60 pts per season with I'd guess
25-27 goals

I would not be surprised at all if the best prospect from the last few years turns out to be none of the guys above. There are always kids that are late bloomers and surprises.


Marchand's highest point total was 80 in the Q.

Jamie Benn was drafted out of Minor Junior.

Johnny Hockey was an undersized 4th round pick.

Pavelski was a 7th round pick.


Do I need to go on?


Hoping the B's hit on a couple of mid round guys like Gabrielle and Bjork.

 

[DKH]

June 17, 2018 Jesse Gabrielle will turn 21. He's the last member of the GM's first official draft class.

At that point a clearer picture will be in place on his draft & development plan will be in place

A review shows the 2014-16 drafts along with college UFAs look strong so far.

Carlo & Heinen already in top 10 and several others progressing nicely

I will review Sweeney on June 18 2018 to see where this team is at

 

[Coach Parker]

Sweeney has to date done a great job drafting players. So much so that his propect pool is overflowing and he now has to turn some of these prospects into roster help to make this team better...


...the trade.

The one questionable area of his resume to date that can use a serious boost now that he is adequately armed.

 

[chizzler]

Sweeney might not see the fruits of his drafting. Takes years to see the results. Look at O'Connell. Some of his guys made it after he left. Unfortunately, not too many of Chiarelli's guys are coming through.

 

[Flannelman]

Perhaps cumulative lists of transactions are warranted:
Trades
http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_GM/Don_Sweeney/283

Picks by Bs

http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/BOS/draft.html

2015/2016.

 

[SpeedyLazaro]

Sweeney needs to do something creative at this point.. winning a Trouba trade would make this fan feel better about things.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Sweeney has to date done a great job drafting players. So much so that his propect pool is overflowing and he now has to turn some of these prospects into roster help to make this team better...


...the trade.

The one questionable area of his resume to date that can use a serious boost now that he is adequately armed.

Don't the scouts have more to do with drafting than the GM?

And you are correct, some of those prospects need to be turned into current roster help. Considering fans here seem to want to turnover the roster dependent on the last game played, not sure how many STH are willing to keep buying until DKH's 2018 review date.

 

[EverettMike]

Don't the scouts have more to do with drafting than the GM?

And you are correct, some of those prospects need to be turned into current roster help. Considering fans here seem to want to turnover the roster dependent on the last game played, not sure how many STH are willing to keep buying until DKH's 2018 review date.

I always give the GM credit, because he is responsible for hiring, listening to, and trusting the right scouts that can do the job well. Delegating responsibility to quality people is in many ways the most important part of the job.

That's also why I don't give him credit for the 14 draft. Chiarelli drafted Pastnrak and the rest of the 14 class, and I try my best to be consistent.

 

[pemulis]

I always give the GM credit, because he is responsible for hiring, listening to, and trusting the right scouts that can do the job well. Delegating responsibility to quality people is in many ways the most important part of the job.

That's also why I don't give him credit for the 14 draft. Chiarelli drafted Pastnrak and the rest of the 14 class, and I try my best to be consistent.

Agreed. Starts at the top. In addition, I would say that the GM creates a brief for scouts about what they should be on the lookout for, for particular positions.

 

[ODAAT]

I would not be surprised at all if the best prospect from the last few years turns out to be none of the guys above. There are always kids that are late bloomers and surprises.


Marchand's highest point total was 80 in the Q.

Jamie Benn was drafted out of Minor Junior.

Johnny Hockey was an undersized 4th round pick.

Pavelski was a 7th round pick.


Do I need to go on?


Hoping the B's hit on a couple of mid round guys like Gabrielle and Bjork.

I rarely comment on most prospects only because the overwhelming majority of them, unless they play in the QMJHL, I haven`t seen or have seen in such limited action it`s irresponsible for me to comment on projections but man, seems like every time I read the prospect thread, or Kirk`s most recent blog, Bjork is being mentioned.

Here`s Kirk`s most recent offering, boy do I miss his posting here

https://scoutingpost.com/

 

[remer]

Let's look at Chiarelli's drafting. From 2007 to 2014 he was the person in charge and the NHL returns are small.

2007
Zach Hamill
Tommy Cross
Denis Reul
Alain Goulet
Radim Ostrcil
Jordan Knackstedt

2008
Joe Colborne
Max Sauve
Michael Hutchinson
Jamie Arniel
Nick Tremblay
Mark Goggin

2009
Jordan Caron
Ryan Button
Lane MacDermid
Tyler Randell
Ben Sexton

2010
Tyler Seguin
Jared Knight
Ryan Spooner
Craig Cunningham
Justin Florek
Zane Gothberg
Maxim Chudinov
Zach Trotman

2011
Dougie Hamilton
Alexander Khokhlachev
Anthony Camara
Brian Ferlin
Rob O'Gara
Lars Volden

2012
Malcolm Subban
Matthew Grzelcyk
Seth Griffith
Cody Payne
Matthew Benning
Colton Hargrove

2013
Linus Arnesson
Peter Cehlarik
Ryan Fitzgerald
Wiley Sherman
Anton Blidh
Mitchell Dempsey

2014
David Pastrnak
Ryan Donato
Danton Heinen
Anders Bjork
Emil Johansson

Yikes.......out of 8 years of drafting.... the Bruins have Ryan Spooner and David Pastrnak to show as present NHL roster players.
This is where the problem lies in why this team is on a downward spiral.

 

[bp13]

June 17, 2018 Jesse Gabrielle will turn 21. He's the last member of the GM's first official draft class.

At that point a clearer picture will be in place on his draft & development plan will be in place

A review shows the 2014-16 drafts along with college UFAs look strong so far.

Carlo & Heinen already in top 10 and several others progressing nicely

I will review Sweeney on June 18 2018 to see where this team is at

You'll review his drafting efforts or his overall work as GM? After all, drafting is but a fraction of the responsibility of a GM, right?

 

[GloryDaze4877]

You'll review his drafting efforts or his overall work as GM? After all, drafting is but a fraction of the responsibility of a GM, right?

Honestly, and I don't mean this just for Sweeney, but if you take care of the drafting part in a Cap league, the rest usually takes care of itself. Trade here and there, couple of FA signings and it should all be good.

If you take a look at the successful teams in the NHL, most (there are always exceptions) drafted well.

 

[whatsbruin]

Perhaps cumulative lists of transactions are warranted:
Trades
http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_GM/Don_Sweeney/283

Picks by Bs

http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/BOS/draft.html

2015/2016.

Of the 7 trades, I'd say Sweeney lost 2 and won 5.
The two on my list that he lost are the Stempniak trade and
Riley Smith for Jimmy Hayes trade. Granted the Hayes trade also cleared
Savards cap space but I'll still count that as a loss.
Liles is at least a push. Not much value in a 5th rounder.

Just noticed the Rinaldo trade isn't on there. That is a loss as well.

 

[bp13]

Honestly, and I don't mean this just for Sweeney, but if you take care of the drafting part in a Cap league, the rest usually takes care of itself. Trade here and there, couple of FA signings and it should all be good.

If you take a look at the successful teams in the NHL, most (there are always exceptions) drafted well.

Not saying that drafting well won't serve him well down the line, but he still has to properly manage the assets he has already, if for no other reason than he likely won't see the fruits of his drafting because he won't be around if he doesn't.

Again, if the day he was hired we were sold on a rebuild, I'd put more emphasis on drafting. Yes I'd be concerned with the number of picks he could acquire with current assets, but drafting would be his major measuring stick. But with 3-4 top-tier veterans, a veteran coach, an owner and President talking about competing today, signing David Backes, etc., nobody is looking at this as a rebuild. So while the early draft results look promising, it's but a fraction of his job.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Not saying that drafting well won't serve him well down the line, but he still has to properly manage the assets he has already, if for no other reason than he likely won't see the fruits of his drafting because he won't be around if he doesn't.

Again, if the day he was hired we were sold on a rebuild, I'd put more emphasis on drafting. Yes I'd be concerned with the number of picks he could acquire with current assets, but drafting would be his major measuring stick. But with 3-4 top-tier veterans, a veteran coach, an owner and President talking about competing today, signing David Backes, etc., nobody is looking at this as a rebuild. So while the early draft results look promising, it's but a fraction of his job.

I completely disagree with this.

IMO, the B's are in a rebuild of sorts, the ownership just doesn't want to tank to do it. My personal opinion is that Sweeney has been given the hardest mandate in sports...maintain a competitive team while still rebuilding.

Even in a rebuild, teams cannot go 100% rookie players, it never works. While hardcore fans will stick with a team through a few "tank" years, most of Boston's finicky sports fans won't.

 

[bp13]

I completely disagree with this.

IMO, the B's are in a rebuild of sorts, the ownership just doesn't want to tank to do it. My personal opinion is that Sweeney has been given the hardest mandate in sports...maintain a competitive team while still rebuilding.

Even in a rebuild, teams cannot go 100% rookie players, it never works. While hardcore fans will stick with a team through a few "tank" years, most of Boston's finicky sports fans won't.

I wouldn't argue with any of that, but it still doesn't mean I'm going to evaluate the guy solely on his drafting nor do I think anyone should. There's way more to the job than that. He has to decide which free agents to sign, which guys to commit to long-term, he needs to plan for a window that makes sense to compete given his draft picks progress and the age of his roster, etc. He also needs to decide which assets to keep and which he might be better moving. There are several measures on which he can be evaluated besides just his drafting record.

 

[PB37]

I wonder if they're holding off trading for Trouba until Vatrano comes back and shows what he can do. Right now, Spooner is playing on Krejci's wing and there really isn't anyone else with experience that can step into the position if Spooner is traded for Trouba.

A healthy team + a Spooner/CMiller trade would look like


Marchand -- Bergeron -- Czarnik

Beleskey -- Krejci -- Pasta

Vatrano -- Backes -- Nash/Hayes

Schaeller -- Moore -- Acciari


Chara -- Carlo

Krug -- Trouba

Liles -- McQuaid


I wonder if there's a way we could pry Joel Armia from the Jets as well. He'd look great on Backes' right wing.