Yes that's true, I've said it myself. But if I could pick I'd take the winger every time in a case like this one.
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Yes that's true, I've said it myself. But if I could pick I'd take the winger every time in a case like this one.
Yes, there has, and I've said it myself. I won't presume to speak for anyone else, but I see Krejci, Bergeron, Marchand, etc. playing at a high level till their mid 30s. Maybe Hall falls of the cliff earlier, but I like his chances of at least being good, if no longer great, at that point. With Krug and the beatings he takes as a defenseman, I don't see him lasting that long as an effective player. Add to that that Torey is a good but not great skater. If he loses a step, as he likely will, he is in serious trouble. Hall could slow down a bit and still be an effective wing. Krug slows down and he is already not a solid defensive guy to start with, and it won't be good.
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DeBrusk isn't a hit? He's one of the top 20 goal scoring LW's at 5v5 since becoming an NHLer.
Lauzon looks like he'll be a solid 3rd pairing guy at worst
Studnicka looked to be one of Boston's better forwards when given playing time during the playoffs
Most draft picks take 2-3 years before they are NHL options. There have been 5 drafts under Sweeney, so 2-3 of those drafts are still TBD because those guy (on average) aren't expected to be in the NHL yet.
I'll give you Smith for Hayes. Ritchie for Heinen though jury is still out. Nash looked fantatsic in Boston before the concussion vs TBL. Spooner is now in the KHL, Bels full time NHL. Lindgren has been ok in the NHL, but the 1st and 4th still haven't made an NHL impact. Stempniak acutally was solid when we traded for him with 10pt in 19gp. The picks they gave up haven't turned into anything, same goes for the picks for JML. Why leave out some other trade though:
Coyle for Donato
Mojo for a 2nd & 4th
Vatrano for a 3rd (Lauko)
Boychuk for a pair of 2nd rounders (one ended up being Carlo)
Jones for Kuraly + 1st
Lucic for Jones + Miller + 1st
Has he hit on every trade? nope, is a bad at trading? nope. He's like every other GM where sometimes you hit and sometimes you don't.
Riley Nash - 41pt season (career year) playing w/ Heinen and Backes
Dobby - provided a solid back-up goalie
Acciari - UDFA that was a staple on the 4th line for 4 years
Dominic Moore - 4th line center that gave you 11G/14A while bringing a defensive game
Chris Wagner - Solid 4th liner, plays a heavy game and a fan favorite
Jaro Halak - maybe the best back-up in the NHL right now
Connor Clifton - UFDA good 3rd pairing spark plug that plays bigger than his size
Nordstrom - monster in these past playoffs, good PK guy
Those were just a few I could think of. Again does he hit with every signing? nope, is he bad at signing? nope. He & hit team seem to be able to find good depth players for cheap, but haven't had that big impact forward signing yet.
So has Sweeney been great? no probably not. I'd say all things considered he's been slightly above average. His ability to sign key players for low AAV has been huge for this team. At the end of the day you can look at any GM and find good trades/bad trade, good drafts/bad draft and good signing/bad signing.
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I think you kind of made my point. If that lineup won a cup, even with Hall in it I would live stream myself eating 91 hats. That lineup has more questions than answers outside of McAvoy and Pastrnak and that's only half way into Hall's contract.
I will say this though. Not to go back to Krug but I have no idea how as a board, we landed on the idea that Krug, at 29, is going to deteriorate immediately and it's a bad idea to sign him to a long term contract at the same time we've decided that Taylor Hall, at 29, who's played a full 82 exactly once in his career with a game is entirely based on athleticism, is the guy to commit to long term as a board.. I like both players, just odd.
I think its more about Krug being below average defensively and being reliant on the PP for production than him deteriorating. Most don't want to pay top pairing money for a guy whose a borderline PP specialist.
Fair, I just envision Hall breaking down much earlier than Krug when it's all said and done. Injuries have not been kind to him throughout his career so far.
Of course, that was just a side observation anyway. I don't think Taylor Hall is in the cards for the Bruins personally. They might be "rumored" to make a run at him the same way they were Tavares but I'd be highly highly surprised from either side.
I think you kind of made my point. If that lineup won a cup, even with Hall in it I would live stream myself eating 91 hats. That lineup has more questions than answers outside of McAvoy and Pastrnak and that's only half way into Hall's contract.
I will say this though. Not to go back to Krug but I have no idea how as a board, we landed on the idea that Krug, at 29, is going to deteriorate immediately and it's a bad idea to sign him to a long term contract at the same time we've decided that Taylor Hall, at 29, who's played a full 82 exactly once in his career with a game is entirely based on athleticism, is the guy to commit to long term as a board.
I think it stems from needing more offense from the forwards and more size from the D corps. Our forwards inability to finish outside of 3-4 guys is bothersome.
Krug is elite and I personally want to see him back, but I think a lot of signs point to him not being here next year.
@OneManIsNoMan Good post ^^^
I do think Sweeney has failed in one major aspect (aside from his first round grab of Senyshyn)- that is solidifying the 2nd line RW spot. He's tried, I'll give him that, but Stafford and Stempniak were never long-term solutions. Rick Nash might have had a couple of good years in him, but concussion notwithstanding, he was not a long term solution. Mojo would have been, but Sweeney either failed to, or didn't try to re-sign him. Kase looks like he might be good, but again, that is bargain bin hunting for a position that he needed to have done better with. Five years on and we are still looking for that player, and to me that qualifies as a big fail
That said, I think he has done a very good job in many respects. And as you note, his identification and signing of lower line FAs, and undrafted/at large college players has been good and his drafting has been decent overall.
I do think Sweeney has failed in one major aspect (aside from his first round grab of Senyshyn)- that is solidifying the 2nd line RW spot. He's tried, I'll give him that, but Stafford and Stempniak were never long-term solutions. Rick Nash might have had a couple of good years in him, but concussion notwithstanding, he was not a long term solution. Mojo would have been, but Sweeney either failed to, or didn't try to re-sign him. Kase looks like he might be good, but again, that is bargain bin hunting for a position that he needed to have done better with. Five years on and we are still looking for that player, and to me that qualifies as a big fail
That said, I think he has done a very good job in many respects. And as you note, his identification and signing of lower line FAs, and undrafted/at large college players has been good and his drafting has been decent overall.
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So if Calgary and Boston offer the same money it’s Boston. If Boston offers three million short of the total package it’s Boston. I hope your right. Did Tavares take less with Toronto so he could go back home.
Tavares didn't take less, but I am pretty sure he bought the BS that he was going to be a major part of what put the Laffs over the top. He comes to Boston, he probably hoists a cup, perhaps two.
Ya, I'd be shocked if the Bruins ended up signing Hall, but I sure would like to see it.
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I dont know how the guy ot past us out of NJ. Again, Sweeney will be a weak, simple minded GM and he will have his excuses lined up as to why he could not get Hall. Our salary cap, our picks are to valuable...We are going in another direction.....We cant part with Anders Bjork.......I mean, we have heard all the excuses from this guy. An actual old fashion hockey trade, No way. This GM history says no way he gets Taylor Hall or any player of his caliber. Thats the Pittsburgh and Tampa GMs.......They get guys like Hall.
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I wish instead of like to pick there was ‘clueless’ to select
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I'd agree that 2RW hole has been maddening. However it's tough to find scoring RW even more so when you need one that their scoring at 5v5 because PP time is very limited. There's some guys in ufa that are towards the top of that list over the last 3 years so maybe this is the year... assuming Kase isn't the guy
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How did Halak work out for you?
Ooh another 5’9” guy. That’ll intimidate the opposition.
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Whose Tampa gotten as a free agent?
Their top 8 scorers this season as well as their top shelf goaltender were all their own draft picks.
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Sure, who would want Johnny Gaudreau on the left wing when you could have Nick Ritchie.
With all due respect to the good folk of Calgary, there's no way Rask is packing up his family and moving it there at this point in his career. He'd probably rather retire if it came to that, and the team is probably on his no trade list.
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Gaudreau a really playoff threat eh? You need size man. Building a team of smurfs?
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Ok if you say so. Washington been kicking your ass for over ten years, the Blues pounded them to the cup and the Lightning always got their number by beating them at every turn. Yah, he would fit in.
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