Does Crosby have the most diverse team and individual resume in NHL history?

[daver]

By diverse, I mean he has won at least won of the following team or individual accolade.

Can any player top this? Maybe Wayne. I would have to look into it more.

NHL - Regular Season
Art Ross
Richard
Most assists
Hart
Lindsay
All-star
Missing - President's Trophy, Selke, Calder

NHL - Playoffs
Stanley Cup
Conn Smythe
Leading playoff scorer
Lead playoffs in assists
Lead playoffs in goals

World/Canada Cup
World Cup
Leading scorer
MVP

Olympics
Gold medal
Missing - MVP, leading scorer, top forward award, all-star

World Hockey Championships
Gold medal
Leading scorer
Top Forward
Missing - MVP

Junior
CHL Player of the year
Leading scorer
Leading scorer - playoffs
League Championship
Leading scorer in Memorial Cup
Missing - CHL championship, Memorial Cup MVP

World Juniors
Championship
Missing - Leading scorer, All-star, MVP

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[daver]

Wayne has the following:

President's Trophy
WJC's leading scorer
WJC's top forward
WJC's all-star

Wayne is missing:

Olympic Gold
CHL MVP
OHA League scoring leader
OHA League scoring leader - playoffs
OHA Championship
Memorial Cup leading scorer
WHC's Gold medal
WJC's Gold medal


Mario has the following:

President's Trophy
Calder Trophy

Mario is missing:

World Cup/CC MVP
World Cup/CC leading scorer
WHC's Gold
WHC's leading scorer
Memorial Cup leading scorer
WJC's Gold medal
WJC's leading scorer

 

[Canadiens1958]

Lot more trophies and opportunities since 1980.

 

[quoipourquoi]

Martin St. Louis’ 2003-04 season in isolation may check off a good number of boxes.

 

[McFlash97]

Sorry Diverse or not, Gretzky's trophy case makes Crosby look pedestrian and there were less diverse trophies handed out in the 80's.

if you wanted to list his achievements might as well include every single achievement as per Wiki:

Awards[edit]


Replica of the Lester B. Pearson Award presented to Gretzky in 1982–83
He won nine Hart Trophies, the NHL's most valuable player award, and eight of these were awarded in consecutive years from 1980–87. Gretzky holds the record for most MVP awards of any player in North American professional sports.

• Lou Kaplan Trophy (WHA rookie of the year) — 1979
• Hart Memorial Trophy (most valuable player) — 1980–87, 1989
• Art Ross Trophy (scoring champion) — 1981–87, 1990, 1991, 1994
• Charlie Conacher Humanitarian Award — 1980[28]
• Conn Smythe Trophy (playoff most valuable player) — 1985, 1988
• Lester B. Pearson Award (outstanding player, voted by the players) — 1982–85, 1987
• Lady Byng Memorial Trophy (sportsmanship) — 1980, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1999
• NHL Plus-Minus Award (best plus-minus rating; formerly Emery Edge Trophy) — 1984, 1985, 1987 (league leader in 1982 no award)
• Stanley Cup — 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988
• Canada Cup — 1984, 1987, 1991
• Clarence S. Campbell Bowl (Western Conference Champions) — 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1993
• Presidents' Trophy (NHL Regular Season Champion) — 1986, 1987
• Chrysler-Dodge/NHL Performer of the Year — 1985, 1986, 1987
• Lester Patrick Trophy (outstanding service to hockey in the United States) — 1994
• Lou Marsh Trophy (Canadian athlete of the year) — 1982, 1983, 1985, 1989
• Lionel Conacher Award (Canadian male athlete of the year) — 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1989, 1999
• NHL All-Star Game MVP — 1983, 1989, 1999
• NHL MVP — Rendez-vous '87
• Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year — 1982
• Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year — 1982
• New York Rangers MVP — 1997-98
• Olympic Gold - Hockey (as Executive Director-Manager) — 2002
• World Cup of Hockey Champion (as Executive Director-Manager) — 2004

Honours[edit]

• 8-Time All-NHL First Team (1981–87, 1991)
• 7-Time All-NHL Second Team (1980, 1988–90, 1994, 1997, 1998)
• All-WHA Second Team — 1979
• In 1998, he was ranked number 1 on The Hockey News' list of the 100 Greatest Hockey Players
• Hockey Hall of Fame 1999 Inductee
• Officer of the Order of Canada[29]
• First international recipient of the Horatio Alger Award[30]
• Received star on Canada's Walk of Fame[31]
• AP-Athlete Of The Decade, 1980s
• Ranked #1 Canadian Athlete of the Century
• Sports Illustrated's Hockey Player of the Century
• Ranked #5 in both ESPN SportsCentury's and the Associated Press's Top 100 Athletes of the 20th Century (Behind Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan, Babe Ruth, Jim Brown (ESPN) and Jim Thorpe (AP)
• In 2007, he was ranked number 1 in The Hockey News' book The Top 60 Since 1967
• In 2010, he was elected as an inaugural inductee into the World Hockey Association Hall of Fame in the "Legends of the Game" category.[32]
• IIHF Centennial All-Star Team
• Jersey number 99 retired league-wide by NHL

 

[daver]

Sorry Diverse or not, Gretzky's trophy case makes Crosby look pedestrian and there were less diverse trophies handed out in the 80's.

Thanks for your enlightening us all on Wayne's trophy case.

What trophies did Wayne not have a chance to win? I specifically limited it to team and individual accomplishments that all three had a chance to win.

Wayne notably fell short at the junior level and the Olympics.

Mario notably fell short at the World/CC Cup and the WHC's.

 

[daver]

Lot more trophies and opportunities since 1980.

What awards did Crosby win that Wayne did not have a chance to win?

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

What awards did Crosby win that Wayne did not have a chance to win?

Olympics and WHC for starters...

Team Canada did not use current NHL players on their roster until 1998...Gretzky's final season in the league where he was 38 yrs old.

He didnt get to spend his prime playing for international titles on a stacked Team Canada the way current NHL'ers get to.

 

[daver]

People need to take this for what it is. It's recognition that Crosby has had success both at the team level and indivially at every level and every tournament.

That he measures up well against two of the all-time greats in this regard is pretty amazing but it doesn't mean he should be rated any closer to them.

 

[daver]

Olympics and WHC for starters...

Team Canada did not use current NHL players on their roster until 1998...Gretzky's final season in the league where he was 38 yrs old.

He didnt get to spend his prime playing for international titles on a stacked Team Canada the way current NHL'ers get to.

Wayne played in both the Olympics and the WHC so he had a chance.

Crosby only got to play in one World Cup and one Memorial Cup but he still matched Wayne in the World/CC Cup and bettered Mario in the both the World/CC Cup and the Memorial Cup.

 

[Spirit of 67]

It's very impressive on it's own merits.
His career has been very impressive on it's own merits.

 

[Canadiens1958]

What awards did Crosby win that Wayne did not have a chance to win?

Wayne Gretzky was not Calder eligible having played in the WHA. Crosby was eligible but did not win the Calder.

 

[daver]

Wayne Gretzky was not Calder eligible having played in the WHA. Crosby was eligible but did not win the Calder.

Both players likely win the Calder under different circumstances so this seems like a moot point.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Both players likely win the Calder under different circumstances so this seems like a moot point.

The reason Crosby didn't win the Calder is because another player was better than him that year. Not exactly the same circumstances.

Anyway, I guess Crosby had a more successful OHA career than Gretzky. Good for him, I guess.

 

[member 51464]

The reason Crosby didn't win the Calder is because another player was better than him that year. Not exactly the same circumstances.

Anyway, I guess Crosby had a more successful OHA career than Gretzky. Good for him, I guess.

Who would the equivalent player be if the situations were the same? Maybe I recall incorrectly, but Ovechkin would've gone a year earlier had the lockout not happened, right? Safe to say Crosby would win it in his rookie year, I think.

If Gretzky had started in the NHL immediately at draft eligibility age, who would the best rookie the year before have been? ie, who would've been the 19 year old best player to compete against the 18 year old Gretzky in his rookie year in the NHL? Also WHA.

 

[Canadiens1958]

The reason Crosby didn't win the Calder is because another player was better than him that year. Not exactly the same circumstances.

Anyway, I guess Crosby had a more successful OHA career than Gretzky. Good for him, I guess.

Well as 17 year olds, Gretzky scored 182 points in 64 games in the OHA finishing 10 points behind Bobby Smith, while Sidney Crosby as a 17 year old QMJHL- different league, playing 64 games scored 168 points finishing ahead of everyone.

Different leagues and circumstances

 

[Voight]

Thanks for your enlightening us all on Wayne's trophy case.

What trophies did Wayne not have a chance to win? I specifically limited it to team and individual accomplishments that all three had a chance to win.

Wayne notably fell short at the junior level and the Olympics.

Mario notably fell short at the World/CC Cup and the WHC's.

Gretzky was only 16 when he played in his only World Junior tournament. And one could argue Sid had better team mates. The next season he would have bene eligible and he not turned pro and scored over 100 points. 17 points is pretty good I'd say.

As for the Olympics.... really? He was 37 the one and only time he was able to go to the Olympics.

He however won 3 Canada Cups which was essentially the equivalent of winning Gold, pre-NHL Olympics.

Well as 17 year olds, Gretzky scored 182 points in 64 games in the OHA finishing 10 points behind Bobby Smith, while Sidney Crosby as a 17 year old QMJHL- different league, playing 64 games scored 168 points finishing ahead of everyone.

Different leagues and circumstances

QMJHl has also historically been the weakest of the 3 CHL leagues.

 

[daver]

The reason Crosby didn't win the Calder is because another player was better than him that year. Not exactly the same circumstances.

Anyway, I guess Crosby had a more successful OHA career than Gretzky. Good for him, I guess.

It's moot point since both are missing it but you are right it is different circumstances.

 

[Canadiens1958]

Not a moot point but one that actually matters,the relation between top 10 in scoring and Selke voting:

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/top-10-in-scoring-selke-voting.603565/page-5#post-147086175

 

[HF007]

Hopefuly he gets a chance to get a calder before he is done

 

[Troubadour]

It's moot point since both are missing it but you are right it is different circumstances.

Well, @TheDevilMadeMe is only correct if we forget the lockout which was one heck of a circumstance. Had everything run smoothly for Sid, he would have never faced Ovie in the Calder race.

Btw the 2005/2006 Ovie would most likely have beaten the WHA Gretzky for the Calder as well.

 

[daver]

Well, @TheDevilMadeMe is only correct if we forget the lockout which was one heck of a circumstance. Had everything run smoothly for Sid, he would have never faced Ovie in the Calder race.

Btw the 2005/2006 Ovie would most likely have beaten the WHA Gretzky for the Calder as well.

I believe Wayne's rookie year was 79/80 when he started the year at age 18 but was not eligible for the Calder as he was already a pro. I think Wayne would have won the Calder.

 

[Troubadour]

I know why Gretzky couldn't get the Calder after his stint in the WHA. What I meant was that the 05/06 Ovie would have most likely beaten the 18-year-old Gretzky for the Calder too.

If Gretzky being ineligible was just a circumstance keeping him from winning the Calder, the 18-year-old Crosby competing for the Calder against the 20-year-old Ovie was just a circumstance as well.

Scratch the lockout and Crosby is the clear cut winner in 2005/2006, as Ovie takes his Calder in 05.

As far as I know, Gretzky did not start his 79/80 season with the same bang he finished it. It seems he indeed was a better player at 19 than he was at 18. They all are. So it all comes down to this:

The 18-year-old Gretzky very likely does not win the Calder against the 2005/2006 Ovechkin either. And Crosby having to face Ovie for the Calder was just a strange lockout consequence.

 

[daver]

The 18-year-old Gretzky very likely does not win the Calder against the 2005/2006 Ovechkin either. And Crosby having to face Ovie for the Calder was just a strange lockout consequence.

Wayne tied for the scoring lead in his rookie year. Put him in 2005/06 and he is likely challenging Thornton and Jagr for the Art Ross while putting up 40 to 45 goals.

Let's put it this way, Wayne would have beaten Crosby for the Calder.

But the point of thread is to highlight Crosby's diverse resume, not to compete with Wayne. That Wayne is his main competition should reflect well on Crosby.

He has been elite individually and had success from a team standpoint almost to a T throughout every level. It took the "Best CHL team of all-time" to beat him in the Memorial Cup. He lacks an expected high scoring finish from the Olympics but that is tempered by scoring two iconic Gold Medal game goals, including one of the biggest in hockey history. He was asked to play a supporting role on the "Best WJC team of all-time" which likely took away his chance to finish higher in scoring.

Even before the CHL, his US prep team won the nationals and he took a Atlantic-based Midget team to the finals of the nationals for the first time ever.

 

[Troubadour]

Wayne tied for the scoring lead in his rookie year.

He turned 19 in January. His first thirty or so games of the rookie season were very WHA-ish. Kindly ask Panther and he will hook you up with some splits.