Gretzky
Lemieux
Orr
Howe
Messier
Richard
Crosby
Tough to put Ovy ahead of those guys, but then I think there are solid arguments for Ovy over anyone else. For Esposito, his contemporaries were Hull, Howe, Orr - did he spend as much time as a top 3 player as Ovy? Similar comparisons for Lidstrom, Roy, and Bourque.
Gretzky
Lemieux
Orr
Howe
Messier
Richard
Crosby
Tough to put Ovy ahead of those guys, but then I think there are solid arguments for Ovy over anyone else. For Esposito, his contemporaries were Hull, Howe, Orr - did he spend as much time as a top 3 player as Ovy? Similar comparisons for Lidstrom, Roy, and Bourque.
Gretzky gets traded he wins another cup, he gets traded from the dominant team in sports to a team that didn't break 85 points in a decade and hadn't won a cup in 50 years and he wins another cup. Best player on 2 champions in his prime, running mate to Gretzky on 4 more championship teams, I don't know who is in anyone else's list but I'd take Messier over Jagr in the playoffs at the same age at any age.
Gretzky gets traded he wins another cup, he gets traded from the dominant team in sports to a team that didn't break 85 points in a decade and hadn't won a cup in 50 years and he wins another cup. Best player on 2 champions in his prime, running mate to Gretzky on 4 more championship teams, I don't know who is in anyone else's list but I'd take Messier over Jagr in the playoffs at the same age at any age.
OV with a smythe surpasses Bobby Hull. So yes.
Gretzky
Lemieux
Orr
Howe
Messier
Richard
Crosby
Tough to put Ovy ahead of those guys, but then I think there are solid arguments for Ovy over anyone else. For Esposito, his contemporaries were Hull, Howe, Orr - did he spend as much time as a top 3 player as Ovy? Similar comparisons for Lidstrom, Roy, and Bourque.
No, but damn close.
Gretz
Orr
Mario
Howe
Hull
Crosby
Beliveau
Richard
Harvey
Jagr
Hasek
Morenz
Bourque
Ovie
Mikita
Roy
Lidstrom
Shore
Messier
etc
What happened to the idea that Malkin > Ovechkin? That seemed to be a notion with some support last year (not to say I agree or agreed with it).
What about really old school guys like Joe Malone and Cy Denneny?
Wasn't hull in a league where he was the only one using a banana curve ? Full of expansion garbage?Why? Hull still has more years as an elite player and was better relative to the league in his best years
Wasn't hull in a league where he was the only one using a banana curve ? Full of expansion garbage?
Wasn't hull in a league where he was the only one using a banana curve ? Full of expansion garbage?
Gretzky gets traded he wins another cup, he gets traded from the dominant team in sports to a team that didn't break 85 points in a decade and hadn't won a cup in 50 years and he wins another cup. Best player on 2 champions in his prime, running mate to Gretzky on 4 more championship teams, I don't know who is in anyone else's list but I'd take Messier over Jagr in the playoffs at the same age at any age.