Fat Tony
Fire Benning
- Nov 28, 2011
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Can't believe the doom and gloom - we pretty much have the same team that won the president's trophy
The gears started grinding around about Jan. last season.
Can't believe the doom and gloom - we pretty much have the same team that won the president's trophy
I think we already missed our window but that's just me. I honestly expect a repeat of last playoffs this year, maybe not in round 1 but our offence will dry up and we won't be able to overcome it.
Kesler - Has to stay healthy.
I keep reading posts referring to our window to win the Cup being open for 2 or 3 years.
I love the Canucks, and have been following their fortunes from day one, but I doubt that their window is still open.
I love the Sedins, but does anyone seriously believe they are the type of players that can triumph in the playoffs when the refs put their whistles away. The series vs Boston
is strong evidence that this is true.
And then there is Ryan Kesler. He is an injury waiting to happen. And his production has become less for various reasons.
I guess the fact that the L.A. Kings won the Stanley Cup after just making the playoffs show us that the window is still open for our team. But the evidence of the past 2 or 3 years suggests that it is quite unlikely that the Canucks are a serious contender for the Cup.
I hope I'm wrong.
2011 was this generation's best shot at a Cup. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see this group of players getting that close again.
Possibly, or Kesler is finally healthy come playoff time and we are a sudden surprise to teams. Frankly, this team will be defined with what Gillis does during the off season. We have a number of 'veterans' who must contribute for us to be successful.
Edler - Needs to develop consistency.
Kesler - Has to stay healthy.
Booth - Health, consistency, his whole game needs to turn a new page; a better one.
Raymond - Yet another consistency issue. He either lives or dies with this season.
Ballard - Yeah... do I even need to say it?
Consistency is this team's greatest Achilles' heel, short of perhaps injuries. With the exception of Kesler, the aforementioned players are those we have to move on from if those issues cannot be addressed.
Most teams that win the cup have been at or near the top of the league for most of the season.
Daniel's easily a top 5 playmaking winger.
How long that window remains open depends on Gillis' draft picks.
Kassian (I'm basically putting his name down for Hodgson)
Sauve
Schroeder
Rodin
Connautton
McNally
Anderson
Price
Jensen
Honzig
Labate
Gaunce
Mallett
That was OUR year. Our ****ing year, God dammit. The Canucks were supposed to win the Cup and they ****ing blew it.This FRANCHISES best chance to date was 2011. Top offense in the league, top defense in the league, home ice advantage throughout playoffs, 2-0 lead in Stanley Cup finals.... *sigh*
That was OUR year. Our ****ing year, God dammit. The Canucks were supposed to win the Cup and they ****ing blew it.
Sorry, I'm still not over what happened.
Easily? He was in a 3 way tie for 22nd in assists last year. I'm not saying he's a bad play-maker, and you could even make an argument that he's close to or in the top 5...but easily? I have trouble agreeing with that.
I feel this version of the Canucks has passed the window of opportunity. The team you are dressing in the first 10 games will not win you a Cup, it would barely get you into the playoffs. If I were the Canucks I would play it out this way....
1. see how the first half goes with the injury issues - if going well, trade Luongo for whatever is missing. If ot going well, hang onto Luongo until trade deadline or even the summer.
2. by hanging onto him you get to see if you not improve our team today in hopes of a better draft position or make a trade to improve today if your team has a shot. It should also increase his trade value... there will be injuries this year. You will also see some odd teams making a run to make the playoffs and you never know what desperate GM might pulll the trigger on a questionable trade to make his team better today.
3. Obtaining better draft pick this year and some excellent prospects and/or even a very good 2 or 3 year NHLer(s) out of Luongo (NYR have a couple) if Lundqvist goes down to injury.
4. Imagine what you could get for the Sedins in the next year or 2?
5. Keep Schneider and the Dcorps.
In about 5 years you are ready to take another run at it.
Too many teams do not identify that their windows have closed and hang onto hope, applying bandaids to an ailing lineup, rather than re-tooling while your assets are still worth something. Re-tooling would open up a wider window.
I've heard many people say that any team with the Sedins as their best players won't win the Cup. As much as I like the Sedins, I don't think they can win a cup as the #1 and #2 options of a team.
The problem with the Sedins is that their production is so intertwined and they depend on each other so much to score when they are both healthy. Splitting them up is a no go because they are so good together and because they are twins.
Really, splitting them up is the logical and what's best for the team. Their individual production will take a hit, but the team will be more well-rounded.. and they can always play together on the powerplay.
Daniel - Kesler - Kassian/Hansen
Booth - Henrik - Burrows
Higgins - Malhotra - Hansen/Kassian
The Sedins are invisible in terms of physicality, and they suck defensively. They are thin and get pushed around physically. So we have two soft players on our top line, which means we spend 18 minutes a game getting pushed around. Being a soft player isn't a bad thing. Having two soft players playing on the same line is a bad thing, however. Lining Daniel up with Kesler and Kassian will take the physical pressure off of both Daniel and Henrik.
Kesler needing a playmaking winger is pretty much consensus on the board. Daniel is severely underrated as a playmaking winger. There really aren't many better playmaking wingers in the league. Daniel's easily a top 5 playmaking winger. Why not put him with Kesler? Really, Kesler and Daniel compliment each other so much in terms of weaknesses/strengths. If the Sedins weren't twins, Daniel and Kesler would be playing with each other.
Henrik's easily one of the best playmakers in the league, and most of the time, he shares the puck with Daniel. Admittedly, his production would take a hit, but he'd have the puck on his stick for more of the time he's on the ice. He'd have two gritty players who crash the net and are big bodies. Henrik would be able to make those passes in tight areas.
The problem isn't the Sedins as individual players. The problem is that Vancouver is so stubborn that they simply cannot let go of the fact that the Sedins are twins.
I don't think we will win with the Sedins. They are great players when playing together. They would be worse players without each other.. but the team would be in a better position. The team would have more flexibility, and wouldn't have to rely on just one line to score.